[PAA-Discuss] About the MFSO & Y'allstock "situation" (and JohnB)

[Randy Scott]

What I mean by "no one wins":

I feel it's coming down to parsing the nuances involved with the question of "how can anyone be
pro-peace without being anti-war OR how can anyone be anti-war without being pro-peace?" Some of
us may feel that the answers are obvious but some may hold on to misperceptions about the "other
side'. Those misperceptions may be the reason that MrB is afraid of MFSO.

Once we open that can o worms we end up in a 'war of words' similar to that which erupts when
we're trying to understand the differences & similarities between those who are pro-life and those
who are pro-choice. As we've seen in recent years, both sides have stereotypical ideas about what
the other side really wants and we hear very little about both sides coming to common ground.

That's in spite of the fact that those of us with 3-digit I.Q.s can clearly see that both sides,
according to their own words at least, really want the same thing.

Ultimately, (cynicism alert) someone who has an ulterior, unstated motive will find a way to frame
the rhetoric to demonize those whose goals may sabotage the ulterior motive. That's what happened
in the abortion debate, that's what happened in the evolution debate, that's what happened in the
death penalty debate, that's what happened in the Israel/Palestine debate, that's what is
happening in the torture vs Geneva Convention debate; I'm afraid it will happen the same way if
this discussion is pushed to it's logical conclusion.

Randy



--- Paul Myers <PaulandCarole at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Randy,
> 
> While it is difficult, for me, to argue with or criticize your comments, they do provoke within
> me questions.  
> 
> Are the answers. "no one wins"?
> 
> An inquiring mind and some not so inquiring minds may want to know answers to the questions you
> pose by the statements below.
> 
> That is why I suggested an analysis of what happened to help prevent a reoccurrence.  And if
> not, that is okay too, it is only a suggestion.
> 
> While some might look at such an exercise as a "war of words where no one wins," I suggest that
> looking at what happened can really be aimed at understanding, not intolerance...... Or is to be
> eyes wide shut, like our governments refusal to investigate the rush to war and how intelligence
> was used or misused.
> 
> That is why (understanding), I believe those that desire peace have more in common with many,
> not all, of those that are anti-war than either would like to admit. 
> 
> I have asked questions of one of the organizers of "Y' Stock" that have gone unanswered:
> 
> "According to advertisements for Y'all Stock
> http://www.messermedia.com/YallAdmission.html<http://www.messermedia.com/YallAdmission.html>  it
> is suggested that a donation is encouraged. Is the donation tax deductible? "
> 
> "Since the (donations) "Proceeds from Y'all stock will go to the Peace & Unity Network", is the
> Peace & Unity Network a 501 c3 nonprofit as defined by the IRS?"
> 
> "Is a list available of member organizations of the "Peace and Unity Network"?  The "Groups and
> Contact info " link is currently not functioning. 
> http://www.messermedia.com/YallStock.html<http://www.messermedia.com/YallStock.html> "
> 
> 
> And the list goes on:  Does the movie that is being produced relate in any way to the exclusion
> of certain groups?  Is the production company a non-profit?
> 
> I am curious about how the producers of a radio show called the "No-hate zone" can be opposed
> to, and exclude from events, those that are anti-war?  Listen Tuesday, September 26 at noon to
> the "No hate Zone with John Basel" on KPFT 90.1 on your FM dial.
> 
> As put to me last night by folks not even aware of what Y'all Stock" is -- "who would benefit in
> a disagreement within the peace/antiwar community or preventing them from becoming united?"
> 
> I would have more, but it is too close to Monday morning.
> 
> While these questions may be considered by some provocative, until they and others are answered
> perhaps you are correct about "another war of words and no one wins."   Unless, of course, if
> there is silence, ............then, perhaps, we all lose.
> 
> Paul
> 

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