[PAA-Discuss] Feelings on posts and rules on discussion list

Fri Apr 20 12:51:19 EDT 2007

Paul:
  I appreciate your ideas on the foward view of what may occur, given the 
absence of what you allude to with the phrase "coming clean".
     Without further elaboration on what you intend to communicate about 
coming clean, I am required to search myself as to what the significance of 
that includes, and the nature of that process.
   Confession as practiced in some faith traditions has one sense to it, and 
a ritual, a pattern that may or may not fit your meaning, whatever that is 
in your space.
   I can make explicit here the desire that motivated  my action  to affirm 
my wish to have such a action only list as it permits  me to be clean in my 
intended use of my resources and focus.
     What others do on their path to "come clean" I can only seek TO 
ENCOURAGE AND MODEL AS A PREFERRED MEANS OF MY CHOICE. You may choose other 
ways. Thre are many I believe, all valid for those who faithfully engage in 
their process.
  Joseph

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----Original Message Follows----
From: "Paul Myers" <PaulandCarole at msn.com>
To: <Discuss at paa-tx.org>,"Joseph Kaye" <jkccnp at hotmail.com>
CC: "Bill Crosier" <paa at crosierbiomed.com>
Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] Feelings on posts and rules on discussion list
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:21:56 -0500

Looking back a number of years, Joseph, to a weekend we spent together, I 
wonder if what is being experienced here could be called "chaos"?

As I recall, there are two ways out of chaos, coming clean and emptying or 
organizing.

I suggest that you are suggesting an organizing approach that will 
eventually lead back to chaos that will help to ensure that the community 
that you spoke of remains allusive.

I  feel so much more comfortable and at ease with the messages from you and 
Bill that I commented on yesterday, which, unfortunately and sadly has not 
been responded to.

Paul
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   From: Joseph Kaye<mailto:jkccnp at hotmail.com>
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   Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] Feelings on posts and rules on discussion list

   Thanks for this contribution Aleithia. Its a starting point for a
   conversation. My thoughts follow.
   MaYBE WE COULD HAVE TWO LISTS.(or three)
   a)A  LIST FOR tOTALLY FREE SPEECH, NO RESTRICTIONS, ANYTHING GOES, FOR 
THOSE
   WHO FEEL STULTIFIED AND OFFENDED BY ANY KIND OF LIMITS TO THEIR FREE 
CHOICE
   OF EXPRESSION.
   b) A list for only the basic posts that inform about activities, 
seminars,
   meetings, or acknowledgments that are for contributions to our community 
and
   our mission, solutions to matters we are concerned with,  invitations to
   celebrtions for our work, etc. The usual business only type email that go
   out sporadically to inform.
     People can chosoe to be on one, or both. Free choice. Free speech, free
   choice. rue democracy.
   No need to monitor the Free speech one. Its for those who can deal with 
an
   anything goes policy and may even feel enriched by the experiecne. For 
those
   who may want an uplifting and educational interchange we might set up
   special interest group lists for subjects such as what those who have an
   interest in the investigative report style where a subject is looked at 
in
   depth, with references to works by researchers, leaders in their field, 
who
   may provide insights of interest to this list.
        Probably this kind of list already exists and just has to be sought
   after. But if we wanted to have our own ocal group, if enough people 
cared,
   then see how to set it up.
      Free choice. For those who get sick and tired of such stuff they can 
opt
   out. For those who appreciate it and like it opt in. One size does not 
fit
   all in the spheres of human interest.
   Each list could have its own social contracts, like a family agreement 
thsat
   guides all behavior for the sake of harmony and creating positive energy.
   This requires self-diecipline,a nd those who don't have that might want 
to
   avoid this kind of list out of respect for those who choose to agree to 
this
   as a common ground for the safety to be expressive in their style. 
Otherwise
   we have bashing and condemnation because some don't appreciate it, and 
want
   to dominate and stop your free speech while they exercise their bashing
   style of free speech, with out a care for your self-respect.

       Joseph K.

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   From: "A. Artemis" <a_artemis9 at yahoo.com<mailto:a_artemis9 at yahoo.com>>
   To: Discuss at paa-tx.org<mailto:Discuss at paa-tx.org>
   Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] Feelings on posts and rules on discussion list
   Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 16:45:21 -0700 (PDT)

   There is the possibility that we as a group are undergoing "growing 
pains."
      Discussion List formats need to change to adapt to a growing list's 
size.

      i.e.:   On one list I was on, the membership was measured in the 10's 
of
   thousands.   So clearly, there had to be some way to prevent inbox
   innundation.    Some of their rules included:
      a.  Only one post per month.   No exceptions.
      b.  Only 4 categories of posts allowed.   The 1st 3 letters of the
   Subject line had to define which of the 4 categories it fit into.
      c.  All one-on-one posts were to be sent off-list.

      I don't think we are necessarily big enouph yet to warrant the above
   rules.    But here are some others that in my view we could all benefit
   from, at our current list size:
      d.  No foul language, flaming, porn, spam, etc.
      e.  Change the Subject line to reflect new direction of a thread.
      f.   Provide the reason to click on an url.

      There is alot of work involved in moderating a list.   The large one I
   was on hired 3 full time moderators who worked 8 hour shifts.   They read
   every single post before passing it on through to the list.   Whew!   
That's
   alot of work!

      Our list is not that big.   And I don't believe anyone reads every 
post
   before sending them on through.    Is it time to do something like that?

      Or just moderate people who raise ire for a temporary period of time,
   until those offended agree that the moderated ones have proven themselves
   capable of keeping things on a professional level.   (This is what almost
   ALL other lists I am on do.)

   Ron and Kris Graham 
<graham2639 at mindspring.com<mailto:graham2639 at mindspring.com>> wrote:
                     Who on this list is qualified to judge what is and is 
not
   acceptable behavior, commentary, material etc?

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