[PAA-Discuss] Mikal's Thoughts on Ron Paul, standing up for our beliefs

[Lee Loe]

Kris, some of the do care. There are those who say that if we have many many
people voting it makes it hard to cheat on an election -- I read this from
someone who was using statistical analysis or something to make this point.
And I don't see that voting can hurt. All of the Congress members are not
good on all of the issues, but some of them are good on some of them. We
have to support those who are working for the things we consider important.
It is, however, so hard to keep up on which bills are being considered and
when significant votes are coming up! Also, we vote on more than the
national crew; local voting is important and sometimes easier to understand
and therefore to identify those who will support our views. And those who
need a bit of prodding in the right direction! Lee Loe

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From: Ron and Kris Graham [mailto:graham2639 at mindspring.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:45 AM
To: 'Jessica Wilson'; ChasMauch at aol.com
Cc: kenfree at swbell.net; leeloe at igc.org; paa at crosierbiomed.com;
discuss at paa-tx.org; Miklhut at aol.com
Subject: RE: [PAA-Discuss] Mikal's Thoughts on Ron Paul, standing up for our
beliefs



Well, we can all go out and vote in the next election, Jessica, and PRETEND
that our votes really count just like they counted in 2000 and 2004. We
still have the Hart InterCivic electronic voting machines. We still have NO
paper ballots and no way of knowing whether or not the votes we put into the
machine are the votes that come out of that machine. We can still go on out
to the voting location and turn the little wheel and pretend we have a real
democracy in the United States. 

 

I am extraordinarily torn as to whether to even go out and vote at all. We
don't have democracy in this country. We've never had democracy in this
country. We don't have a representative republic in this country. We've
never had a representative republic in this country. Why continue to play
the game, Jessica? We are perpetuating the sham that's been going on in the
United States for years. The average citizen doesn't choose the president
and their representatives. GLOBAL CORPORATE chooses the candidates. Remember
all the voter intimidation and alienation? Remember all the voter roll
purging? Remember the phone calls to poor black voters threatening them with
arrest if they showed up to vote if they hadn't paid fines, tickets etc?
Remember the old faulty voting machines in poor districts? Remember the lack
of working voting machines in those same districts? Remember the vote
switching on the e-voting machines in several states? What makes you think
the 2008 election will be any different from elections past?? Why continue
participating in this fraudulent system? Why continue pretending that our
"representatives" care what we have to say? THEY DON'T.

 

Kris

 

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From: Jessica Wilson [mailto:jlwilson684 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:05 PM
To: ChasMauch at aol.com
Cc: graham2639 at mindspring.com; kenfree at swbell.net; leeloe at igc.org;
paa at crosierbiomed.com; discuss at paa-tx.org; Miklhut at aol.com
Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] Mikal's Thoughts on Ron Paul, standing up for our
beliefs

 

I say we take it like the Irish, buy a few round of beers and demand direct
democracy (Recalls and Referendums) it matters not who's in the presidential
seat, it matters if we have a say and if what we're saying is taken for
anything more than a grain of salt.  I don't really know how you all have
lived through this for the number of years that you have, I had just turned
18 in the last presidential election so I claim no responsibility for this
mess we're in.  I've made it clear to my parents that they are as complicit
in this crap as the rest of the Bush administration.  I sure am not going to
live my life quietly.  Man really - REALLY - how did you do it?  Are we just
a nation of drug addicts?  Just take a few more of those pills while they
tell ya whats good for you - nonnono Culberson isn't responsible for the
I-10 expansion he just got 13,000$ from Giuliani's law firm because they
play golf together - Please.  Start bitching, frequently. 

Bush OUT
Cornyn OUT
Abbott OUT
Michael Berry OUT
Culberson OUT

If you have a name that you want to add to the list go for it, the next
elections for Congress, Senate and State rep/Governor is where the attention
needs to be placed.  We're not playing dumb.  Roll over Fido!  

On Nov 12, 2007 10:14 PM, <ChasMauch at aol.com> wrote:

At the risk of alienating just about everyone on this list, I must point out
the cold fact that neither Dennis nor Paul will be the nominee of their
party, so we might as well think about what we will do when the dust
settles. Hold our nose and vote Dem? Vote Green if they get ballot access -
a very difficult project? Not vote at all? Or do a write in? Those who want
to do a protest by not voting at all might think about a write-in campaign.

 

I'm sure everyone knows you can't just write in Mickey Mouse or whatever as
you once could. A candidate must be officially certified in advance as a
write-in. That requires a lot of signatures and/or payment of a rather large
entry fee for most offices, but is surprisingly easy for president, and does
not cost anything. All that is required is to file a form for the president
and his/her running mate and 32 electors. Their names will not be on the
ballot, but will appear on a list of write-ins that the election judges are
supposed to post on the wall of every election booth. No party affiliation
can be shown. Of course some (most?) judges "forget" to post the lists, and
most voters don't notice the list even if it is there, and don't know what
it's for. Then the voter has to spell out the candidate's name using the
wheel on the electronic election machine, which most do not know how to do.
It's a pretty obscure and tedious process but might be a better form of
protest than just not voting.

 

I gathered the names of 32 electors and handled the filing for David Cobb
and Pat LaMarche when they ran in Texas as write-ins for president and vice
president in 2004 when the Greens failed to get ballot access. Unfortunately
they did not get many votes - 1,014 out of 7,410,765 cast in Texas (.01%).
Nader and Peter Camejo (his VP) were also write-ins in Texas and got 9,159
votes (.12%). For all the returns for president in the 2004 election in
Texas, check the Secretary of State's race summary report at this link: 

 

http://elections.sos.state.tx.us/elchist.exe

 

The write-in thing is pretty much an exercise in futility but might be
better than just sitting it out. Then again, maybe not. Best would be to
hope (or maybe help) the Greens get ballot access and hope they come up with
a good candidate, but there is always the spoiler effect that can be
disastrous if they get on the ballot in too many states and get too many
votes - but let's not get into that. Just thought I would mention this.

 

Charlie M 

 

 

In a message dated 11/12/2007 5:49:13 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
graham2639 at mindspring.com writes:

I will either boycott the election if Dennis Kucinich is not the Democrat
nominee or I'll write his name in, Ken. I don't plan on voting for ANYONE I
don't believe in.

Kris

 





 

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