[PAA-Discuss] [notinourname] FW: Why not Ron Paul?

Sun Nov 18 00:48:17 EST 2007

Who is this person? What are her credentials?

I am certainly no fan of Rudy Guiliani, but how dare this "Karin"
speak of his participation in the gay pride parade as though it is
something on a par with, say, supporting genocidal sanctions. It
doesn't take much of a leap of logic to figure out that Karin doesn't
approve of anything that doesn't match her narrow definitions of
acceptable sexuality. I vigorously object.

Alyssa Burgin

On Nov 17, 2007 9:42 PM, Ken Freeland <kenfree at swbell.net> wrote:
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> From: Umm Yakoub [mailto:togethertalk at hotmail.com]
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> Subject: Why not Ron Paul?
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> Why not Ron Paul?
> Karin Friedemann
> Thursday, November 15, 2007
> karinfriedemann.blogspot.com
> mariahussain.wordpress.com
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> Does America have a future? Unfortunately we don't have a lot of choices
> here. You want Rudy Giuliani, who dressed up as a woman and marched in the
> gay pride parade, and who has been profiteering off 9/11, or you want
> Hillary, who strongly supported the genocidal sanctions against Iraqi
> children while she was First Lady? Both of them have promised AIPAC to bomb
> Iran. Also, Obama is influenced by AIPAC. At this point, there is nothing
> more important than pulling our troops out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and
> everywhere. I heard that Cynthia McKinney might run as a Green, but her
> chances of winning are slim because the Green Party has no money and has
> very few active volunteers. Ron Paul actually has a fighting chance to stop
> the wars because he has a strong base of support among the Young Republicans
> who are very enthusiastic and remarkably sane. He wins every debate because
> he makes a "self-interest" argument for ending the wars which works with
> Americans. Even Jay Leno respected him.
>
> Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist and a non-interventionist. Everybody
> disagrees with him about something. The leftists hate him because he's
> anti-abortion. But again, we have to put aside our personal opinions and
> stop the war immediately or lose our democracy. We only have one chance. The
> only thing that can unite Americans is the Constitution (as flawed a
> document as it is - but it's better than the lawlessness of Bush). Not a
> single Jewish organization supports Ron Paul for president.
>
> Ron Paul approaches the Constitution almost like an Islamic jurist. He did
> not say he didn't think universal health care might be a good idea. He said
> it's not in the Constitution that the US government has the role of
> providing health care. If you want to do it, then you have to amend the
> Constitution. If you allow Congress to do things that the Constitution
> doesn't allow, then we no longer have a constitutional democracy. They can
> declare war without an act of Congress, they can cancel your currency value,
> they can put you in jail without evidence, etc.
>
> I have never come across him saying anything racist. He did say, "I
> certainly join my colleagues in urging Americans to celebrate the progress
> this country has made in race relations. However, contrary to the claims of
> the supporters of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the sponsors of H.Res.
> 676, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 did not improve race relations or enhance
> freedom. Instead, the forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of
> 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty."
>
> That is certainly true. Boston's bizarre busing system destroyed
> neighborhoods which had closely knit communities that worked together on a
> local level to organize social programs like Boy Scouts, now we have a
> welfare state where you have to enter a lottery to get your kids into a
> decent school, and they waste a lot of gas busing kids across town when
> there is a school walking distance from their house. Nobody attends Boy
> Scouts anymore, and neighborhood crime is rampant. The situation for blacks
> and whites has worsened since the 1960s because our economy is going down
> the drain due to our foreign policy. Studies have shown that the more
> racially mixed a neighborhood is, the less likely it is that the people will
> be active in community organizing. So that leads to increased dependency on
> government services. I guess there is idealism on one hand, and the reality
> on the other hand. In any case, he has a rational argument for his views.
>
> The current drug policy in the United States is completely irrational. The
> CIA invades a country, forces them to grow drugs, then the CIA brings it
> into the country and sells it to the police, who then sell it to the drug
> mafia, and then we spend billions of dollars putting people in jail for
> non-violent crimes. By decriminalizing drugs, and dismantling the CIA, as
> Paul proposes, you will have far fewer social problems created by criminal
> mafias and gangs because something like cocaine would no longer be
> profitable. And our tax money would no longer pay for these drug wars. That
> was also the approach in the early days of Islam. Scholars, including Caliph
> Ali refused to criminalize intoxicating herbs because there was nothing
> specifically in the Quran outlawing any plant. There was no criminal offense
> for hashish or opium, and usually they were prescribed by doctors as
> medicines. Avincenna (I forgot his name in Arabic) talks a lot about the
> medieval Muslim uses of what we now consider to be "illegal" drugs. The drug
> wars have cost US taxpayers billions of dollars and have not improved
> anything. So it's useful to look at how America used to deal with these
> issues. Did you know that George Washington grew marijuana on the White
> House lawn? Farmers used to pay their taxes with hemp. The laws changed in
> the 1940s due to pressure from special interest groups. The herbicide
> (genocide of plant species) led to great dust storms, the ruination of
> farmers, and the Great Depression.
>
> I am aware of "states rights" connection with the American history of
> slavery, however in this day and age, states rights gives you protection
> from Bush. And it also protects people. Because as long as, for example, gay
> marriage is a states issue, then every state can decide if it does or
> doesn't want to have gay marriage. If you gave the Feds the authority to
> make that decision, a special interest lobby could convince the federal
> government to legalize or outlaw gay marriage for the entire country. So
> there are pros and cons to Ron Paul's positions.
>
> Affirmative action has not succeeded in addressing inequalities in society.
> What most average black and white people want is more money to live. So
> again, smaller government would decrease the individual burden on average
> people to sustain an empire with their taxes and we'd have less poverty. Dr.
> Paul is a moral person so I'm sure that minorities could work with him to
> end poverty in ways that conform to the Constitution. In Roxbury here, the
> black community has been having a lot of meetings to figure out what to do
> because even though they succeeded in getting federal funding for all kinds
> of stuff, the crime in the neighborhood is just getting worse and worse. So,
> the socialist approach isn't working and Ron Paul's approach - locally based
> government, is what the black community is doing anyway, out of necessity.
> The #1 concern for black youth right now is not wanting to get killed in
> Iraq. Paul has a young black following.
>
> Bottom line, we have to stop the war. Ron Paul is approachable. He is
> neither a criminal nor insane. As long as you can make an argument from the
> point of view of the Constitution you can get by. Sort of like when you are
> dealing with the Taliban, you have to make your argument based on
> Quran/Hadith and they will listen.
>
> About immigration, I think it's a non-issue for those who immigrated here
> legally. I suspect that the anti-Mexican rhetoric is playing to popular
> sentiment, yet with his "small government" proposal, we'd have less of a
> police state working night and day to bust into the homes of the Mexicans,
> so they still might be better off with Ron Paul, and also, fewer Mexicans
> would join the US military and kill Muslims in order to get a green card, if
> there was no war. Ideally, the US should have a less predatorial
> relationship with Mexico so that their country would not be so impoverished
> that their young people would all have to leave home.
>
> Some people feel that "ideally" they want some kind of welfare system with
> open borders. They don't want to support Ron Paul because they disagree with
> this or that. However, what we have right now is Bush and a government that
> has descended into lawlessness. No amount of protesting is going to
> automatically transform what we have into a socialist utopia. In fact, the
> US is bankrupt. So either we give in to complete tyranny, or we stick to the
> Constitution. I don't see any other choice. There is no other candidate who
> has indicated willingness to uphold the Constitution when it comes to
> declaring wars, detainee rights, and our personal freedoms.
>
>
> To learn more about Ron Paul, watch this CNN clip
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K0uwNjXooI&NR=1
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> To help Ron Paul, visit teaparty07.com - ronpaul.meetup.com -
> ronpaul2008.com
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