[PAA-Discuss] Wow, just wow... Zbigniew Brzezinski working for Obama - REALLYNOWTHINKPEOPLE

Tue Feb 26 19:51:08 EST 2008

Dear Lee,

I'm sure you know that my love and respect for you is real and goes back a 
long way.  In my e-mail I even say Mr. or Senator Obama or Congresswoman 
Lee. So I have no intention to be disrespectful to anyone specially to a 
good friend and a long time peace activist like you. As I mentioned in my 
speech at UST, American people are electing the WAR PRESIDENT in this 
election and it is unfortunate for all of us not to delve deeper in 
understanding the true position of the candidates on the vital questions 
like war and peace. It is unfortunate because an uneducated vote could 
easily help a candidate become a president that doesn't hesitate to drop 
bombs on my family in Iran or my brothers and sisters in Iraq or elsewhere 
from day one. I know you very well that you have fought for peace all your 
life, so it would be great to have a debate/discussion among ourselves -the 
voters- to see why we vote the way we vote. I have my own reasons to believe 
that Mr. Obama will continue the same "war on terror". You or someone else 
might have different opinion, we can discuss that without getting agitated. 
We need to help each other in this regard.

Massoud

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lee Loe" <leeloe at igc.org>
To: "'Bill Crosier'" <paa at crosierbiomed.com>; "'PAA Discuss List'" 
<discuss at paa-tx.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] Wow,just wow... Zbigniew Brzezinski working for 
Obama - REALLYNOWTHINKPEOPLE

To Jessica: I fail to see how anyone who feels those who don't agree with
them are "sheep" or, as Massoud has suggested, it is "unfortunate" that we
believe in change through an Obama candidacy. This is NOT repect. I feel
that what is really going on is that all of us love ourselves, our families,
our earth and want these precious things to survive. We all care deeply and
are trying to work out what is best to be done. No non-thinking sheep here,
Jessica, and it isn't as simple as you seem to be making it, Bill. I wish I
had the gift of being able to say what I am feeling. Sorry if I am mudding
the water. I'm just tired being admonished to "think" as though I have not
been doing it for a long damn time! My first vote was for Adlai Stevenson,
by the way. Doesn't mean I know more than anyone else, just that I have been
thinking, not following sheep-like, for a long time. Lee L

-----Original Message-----
From: discuss-bounces at paa-tx.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at paa-tx.org] On
Behalf Of Bill Crosier
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 2:20 PM
To: PAA Discuss List
Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] Wow, just wow... Zbigniew Brzezinski working for
Obama - REALLY NOWTHINKPEOPLE

I think it's really clear that neither Hillary nor Barack are peace
candidates.  They both voted for funding the occupation, even though now
both of them say they want to bring the troops home (but without much
specifics).  Neither seem to have expressed any understanding (IMHO) of the
problems in the Middle East -- especially the Palestinian/Israeli conflict,
and appear to be letting AIPAC do their thinking for them.  As long as that
continues, we're bound to have big problems in the Middle East.

Neither Hillary nor Barack have anything even approaching a single payer
universal health care system.  Both of them have plans that will help enrich
the insurance companies and cover some additional people, but probably with
less coverage because of the large overhead of the insurance companies.

Neither seem to understand the problems of our trade policies, either.

So, what debate do we want?  Perhaps regarding whether Ralph Nader or
Cynthia McKinney should get the Green Pary nomination?

BTW, unless someone can convince me otherwise in the next few days, I'm
planning to vote for Richardson or Edwards in the Dem. primary.  (Remember
they are still on the Texas ballot even though they've withdrawn, but not
Kucinich).  Neither of these was my first choice but they're closer to
Kucinich's positions than either Obama or Clinton.  I'll vote in the primary
because there are some other good candidates down-ballot, and so I can go to
my precinct convention.  But I don't like holding my nose and voting for the
lesser of the evils, especially in the primary.

Bill

At 1:47 PM -0600 2/26/08, Massoud Nayeri wrote:
>A DEBATE, IS A GREAT IDEA.
>
>We often forget the power of debates and discussions. I think it is a great
idea to organize a debate around this election. After all the election time
is the best time that we can educate ourselves. It is unfortunate that some
people believe that Senator Obama is for change and against war. As Kris and
Jessica have mentioned many times, there is enough history and information
to show that Mr. Obama will not bring any major changes and would follow the
same dangerous foreign policy of "war on terror".
>
>Those who think differently and are excited about Mr. Obama's candidacy
should welcome this debate. This is going to be a chance for everyone to
present facts and figures. I was at the NBUF meeting at Shape center the
other day, Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee was on the panel defending and
justifying Senator Hillary Clinton's position of supporting war against Iraq
and also she was complaining about Mr. Nader announcing his willingness to
run for Presidency. But somehow, may be out of respect, nobody challenged
her seriously! But If we organize a debate we would allow the different
opinion to be heard, that would be our way of being respectful. There is
enough excitement out there to organize a debate like this. And the key to
have a successful meeting is to avoid the big names or invite any official
representatives. It has to be a debate between the voters.
>
>Massoud
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From: <mailto:jlwilson684 at gmail.com>Jessica Wilson
>To: <mailto:graham2639 at mindspring.com>graham2639 at mindspring.com
>Cc: <mailto:discuss at paa-tx.org>PAA Discuss List
>Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] Wow,just wow... Zbigniew Brzezinski working
>for Obama - REALLY NOWTHINKPEOPLE
>
>I'm ready, I have far more history and information on my side and in my
memory than any people who want to support these hacks, so please, I'm ready
for an all out debate - 100%  I'm not going to sit here and have this BS
sent to my e-mail box as if there was any sort of thought or initiative for
change behind it.  Kris we can do this even if it's the two of us against a
horde of sheep.
>
>Jessica
>
>On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Ron and Kris Graham
<<mailto:graham2639 at mindspring.com>graham2639 at mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>I keep asking people to think, Jessica, and I'm being labeled as
confrontational and as a flame thrower. Get ready for it if you dare to
speak out against Obama and the Democratic Party.
>
>
>
>Kris
>
>
>
>
>From: Jessica Wilson
>[mailto:<mailto:jlwilson684 at gmail.com>jlwilson684 at gmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:16 AM
>To: PAA Discuss List
>Subject: [PAA-Discuss] Wow,just wow... Zbigniew Brzezinski working for
>Obama - REALLY NOWTHINK PEOPLE
>
>
>
>I know a lot of you support anyone the television throws at us and a lot of
you don't however, I think it due time we all sit back and look into who
Obama currently has working for him...
>
>Forgive me if you've read this information before but I will be copying
>from my blog on this issue because it's all there and has been for
>nearly 6 months now -
><http://informeddissent.com/2007/07/15/who-is-mika-brzezinski-paris-hil
>ton-dissenter-of-msnbc-who-is-she-related-to-and-why-does-it-matter/>ht
>tp://informeddissent.com/2007/07/15/who-is-mika-brzezinski-paris-hilton
>-dissenter-of-msnbc-who-is-she-related-to-and-why-does-it-matter/
>
>"Just north of Pakistan,
<http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/bilderberg_al_qaeda_connection.htm>Zbi
gniew Brzezinski funded, armed and created the Taliban- headed by bin Laden-
to offset expected aggression by Soviet forces into Afghanistan in 1979
while Brzezinski was National Security Adviser to President Carter- proving
directly the U.S. link to bin Laden."
>
>Public/Political Positions Held by Zbigniew Brzezinski
>
>.  1966-68 - Member of the Policy Planning Council of the Department of
>State
>
>.  1968 -
><http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hubert_H._Humphrey&action=e
>dit>Hubert H. Humphrey presidential campaign, chairman of the Foreign
>Policy Task Force
>
>.  1973-76 -
><http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Trilateral_Commission>Trila
>teral Commission, Director
>
>.  1976 -
><http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=James_Earl_Carter%2C_Jr.>Ja
>mes Earl Carter, Jr. presidential campaign, foreign policy advisor
>
>.  1977-80 - James Earl Carter's
><http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=NSA>NSA
>
>.  1985 -
><http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Ronald_Reagan>Ronald
>Reagan's Chemical Warfare Commission , member
>
>.  1987-88 -
><http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=NSC>NSC-Defense Department
>Commission on Integrated Long-Term Strategy, member
>
>.  1988 -
><http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=George_H._W._Bush>George H.
>W. Bush National Security Advisory Task Force, member
>
>.  1987-89 - President Reagan's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board,
>member
>
>"7 months after the interview for the CNN series,
<http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Zbigniew_Brzezinski>Brzezinski,
in a interview for the French publication, Le Nouvel Observateur, was more
forthright, and unapologetically claimed to be the mastermind of a feint
which caused the Soviet Union to embark upon a military intervention to
support their client government in Kabul, as well as training and arming
extremists, which later became the Taliban government."
>
>"I told the President, about six months before the Soviets entered
Afghanistan, that in my judgment I thought they would be going into
Afghanistan. And I decided then, and I recommended to the President, that we
shouldn't be passiveŠWe weren't passive,"
<http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Zbigniew_Brzezinski>Brzezinski
told CNN during a 1997 interview."
>
>"<http://www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard>Brzezinski is also a
past attendee and presenter at several conferences of the Bilderberge group
- a non-partisan affiliation of the wealthiest and most powerful families
and corporations on the planet."
>
>
>
>HE IS THE HENRY KISSINGER OF THE "LEFT" -
><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJSdnhOElzw>http://www.youtube.com/watc
>h?v=RJSdnhOElzw
>
>
>
>--
>Every generation has the obligation to free men's minds for a look at new
worlds... to look out from a higher plateau than the last generation.
>
>-- Ellison S. Onizuka
>
>
>
>
>--
>Every generation has the obligation to free men's minds for a look at new
worlds... to look out from a higher plateau than the last generation.
>
>-- Ellison S. Onizuka
>
>
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