[PAA-Discuss] Robert has inserted an excellent article in this discussion thread. RE: I Want My Free
robert
gram.graham at sbcglobal.net
Sat Jun 7 14:15:52 EDT 2008
My point.....Don.......is that rscott77092 suggested:
"The only hoax I am aware of here is the idea that genocide against one
> group can be used as an excuse for that group to commit genocide against
> another."
I am presenting a disambiguation.
>
-----Original Message-----
From: donald cook [mailto:zenblews at hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 11:15 AM
To: robert; rscott77092 at oplink.net; discuss at paa-tx.org
Subject: Robert has inserted an excellent article in this discussion thread.
RE: [PAA-Discuss] I Want My Free
Perhaps Ms. Kimberley's article should be reposted under its own title line
so people won't just go "Not again!" and hit the delete button. But I don't
know what exactly you are trying to say, Robert, with your cryptic, single
word comment, "Hoax?", just before the article. What Ms. Kimberley says in
the article is definitely not a hoax.
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> From: gram.graham at sbcglobal.net
> To: rscott77092 at oplink.net; discuss at paa-tx.org
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:22:31 -0500
> Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] I Want My Freedom Back
>
> Hoax?
>
> Freedom Rider: Slow Death in Gaza
>
> By BAR editor and senior columnist Margaret Kimberley
>
> "The Europeans seem to be quite satisfied acting as
> America's puppet states."
> 04/06/08 "Black Agenda Report" -- - How would the civilized world react
if
> 1.6 million people were kept imprisoned, denied access to food, clean
water,
> sanitation facilities and electricity? If those people were also prevented
> from fleeing their oppression, would Americans and Europeans speak out in
> protest?
>
> If those aforesaid people lived in Gaza, and were oppressed by Israel,
then
> the civilized world would say and do absolutely nothing. Israel is the
> Untied States' number one client state, and fear of American power has
> silenced everyone on earth who has the power to stop this atrocity.
>
> While Tibet and Darfur are the subjects of selective cause celebre
> condemnation, there are almost no voices raised publicly on behalf of
> Palestinians, who live in danger of indiscriminate shelling and gunfire,
> whose homes are destroyed by Israeli tanks, and who are literally denied
an
> exit from their hellish existence. While they suffer, Israel continues to
> build settlements on what is rightfully Palestinian land.
>
> It is not surprising that Washington takes no action against Israel, but
> silence from the rest of the world community is the most shocking aspect
of
> this continued violation of human rights. Former president Jimmy Carter
and
> Nobel peace prize laureate Desmond Tutu are alone among world leaders who
> openly condemn the Israeli government and the complicit silence from other
> nations.
>
> Gaza's woes began in 2006 when its people voted for a government headed by
> Hamas, the Palestinian group that Israel and the U.S. didn't like. The
> United States then demanded a blockade of Gaza and the rest of the
so-called
> Quartet (European Union, Russia, the United Nations) went along. Carter
has
> revealed the ugly truth about this decision."The Quartet's final document
> had been drafted in Washington in advance, and not a line was changed."
>
> "Former president Jimmy Carter and Nobel peace prize laureate Desmond Tutu
> are alone among world leaders who openly condemn the Israeli government."
>
> Carter called the blockade that has imprisoned more than 1 million people
a
> "human rights crime." He has called on the other Quartet members to break
> with the United States and end the blockade and he has tried in vain to
> encourage the Europeans to oppose American policy. "Why not? They're not
our
> vassals. They occupy an equal position with the U.S." Apparently Carter
has
> given Europeans more credit than they give themselves. They seem to be
quite
> satisfied acting as America's puppet states.
>
> Archbishop Desmond Tutu has joined Carter in calling for international
> action to end Gaza's suffering. He recently led a United Nations Human
> Rights Council delegation to Gaza specifically to investigate the 2006
> killings of 19 members of a Palestinian family whose homes were destroyed
by
> Israeli rocket fire in the town of Beit Hanoun.
>
> The Israeli government made no pretense of showing Tutu the respect that
he
> receives everywhere else on earth. The government refused to grant him and
> the other members of his party entry into Israel, and they were forced to
> enter Gaza through Egypt. Tutu's conclusions about the situation in Gaza
> were inescapable and obvious. Yet the words may seem odd to American ears,
> who never hear a discouraging word about their government or Israel's.
>
> "This is not something you want to wish on your worst enemy," said Tutu.
He
> called the situation in Gaza "abominable" and condemned the "silent
> complicity" of the world community. He called the killings at Beit Hanoun
a
> "massacre" and in a diplomatic understatement said that Israel's
> explanations of the killings "fell short of accountability."
>
> "Gazans have nothing to look forward to except more suffering."
>
> The situation in Gaza is of course a result of America's support of
Israel.
> In the past that support was at least tacitly criticized by the world
> community, but now shows signs of being accepted in much the same way that
> all of America's aggression has become accepted.
>
> America is feared like a bully on the playground and European nations have
> decided to be quiet and let Bush have his way. Jimmy Carter said they
should
> not be "supine" but they are, and so they acquiesce, living in denial and
> inertia while running out the clock until January 2009 in hopes of getting
a
> better deal.
>
> They won't. The rot in America goes beyond this administration, and so
does
> the rot in Israel. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert may be forced to resign
> because he has been caught taking bribes from a rich American. United
States
> foreign policy will not change with a new administration. Only Jimmy
Carter
> and Desmond Tutu will have anything to say about the crime being committed
> in Gaza, but neither of them are in power, so their words won't matter at
> all. Gazans have nothing to look forward to except more suffering, more
Beit
> Hanouns and more silence from the rest of the world.
>
> Margaret Kimberley's Freedom Rider column appears weekly in BAR. Ms.
> Kimberley lives in New York City, and can be reached via e-Mail at
> Margaret.Kimberley(at)BlackAgandaReport.Com. Ms. Kimberley maintains an
> edifying and frequently updated blog at freedomrider.blogspot.com. More
of
> her work is also available at her Black Agenda Report archive page.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces at paa-tx.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at paa-tx.org] On
> Behalf Of rscott77092 at oplink.net
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:14 PM
> To: discuss at paa-tx.org
> Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] I Want My Freedom Back
>
> but it IS arguable - Robert is obviously OBSESSED with arguing about it.
>
> The only hoax I am aware of here is the idea that genocide against one
> group can be used as an excuse for that group to commit genocide against
> another.
>
> Yes, Israel IS a Jew-only state, but that's BECAUSE of racist hatred - the
> same kind of racist hatred that inspires some people to claim the
> holocaust never happened.
>
> Mister/Madam Chairperson: I move to have Robert removed/banned from this
> list.
>
>
>
>
>> It is unarguable that Israel exists today as a Jewish only state because
>> of
>> the Halohoax
>>
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discuss-bounces at paa-tx.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at paa-tx.org] On
>> Behalf Of donald cook
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 3:23 PM
>> To: mandell at yahoogroups.com; discuss at paa-tx.org
>> Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] [MANDELL] I Want My Freedom Back
>>
>>
>> Free Speech is an extremely important issue, and curtailing it is almost
>> never justified. Yes, even Holocaust deniers should be prosecuted no
more
>> than flat earthers or anti-science, religious fundamentalist for their
>> peculiar views. Of course, when someone's anti-science, religious
>> fundamentalism leads them to deny medical care to their children or to
>> killing people, or agruing to kill people, in the name of Jesus, that's
>> another matter. Many Holocaust deniers, however, do have an anti-Jewish
>> agenda, and while even racism is, to a degree, protected as free speech,
>> it
>> misleads people regarding what I believe this list serve is about.
>> Promoting wrong-headed speech does not help the Palestinian cause. No
one
>> can sanely deny that Hitler and the Nazis had an anti-Jewish agenda and
>> persecuted Jews merely because they were Jews. Holocaust deniers are
left
>> to merely quibble about exactly how many Jews Hitler and the Nazis killed
>> and whether or not he killed them by "accident" while he was otherwise
>> robbing, imprisoning, starving, torturing and persecuting them. Except
as
>> a
>> national-post-traumatic-stress incident that explains somewhat, and only
>> in
>> a limited way, the extreme behavior directed against the Palestinians by
>> the
>> Israeli government, the Holocaust has no relevance in the struggle for a
>> free Palestine. Denying the Holocaust and/or defending the free speech
of
>> Holocaust deniers is not what we are about, is it?
>>
>> If anyone wants to defend the posting of this article on this list serve,
>> I
>> would seriously like to hear their reasons.
>>
>> -- Don
>
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