[PAA-Discuss] Bill Gates Says Vaccines Can Help Reduce WorldPopulation

[Lee Loe]

The big factor on family size is poverty, I believe. The problem with getting out of poverty is using more resources, which is the problem of having too many people, too. (o;~ So if we can all decide that all we need is "Enough" and what that means both individually and as a society, we might not destroy ourselves. Lee 

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It's true that people have fewer children when they know that their children will survive.
There is a higher birth rate among impoverished people 1st because the infant mortality is higher and 2nd because a lack of education & understanding about family planning.





> I saw the Sixty Minutes interview with Melinda Gates. She was talking 
> about the huge drop in instances of malaria that were due to the 
> immunizations and she spoke of how they now intend to go after the 
> cases in the few places in the world where people still get Polio.
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> My uncle had Polio as a small child. I had friends in school as well 
> who lived with the results of having had the disease. I applaud the 
> work of the Gates Foundation to prevent others from suffering from 
> that insidious disease. They are trying to make it possible for people 
> to live longer their efforts are not an attempt to control population.
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>  Melinda Iley-Dohn
> Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a  little 
> temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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> --- On Sun, 10/3/10, Ron and Kris Graham <graham2639 at mindspring.com>
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> From: Ron and Kris Graham <graham2639 at mindspring.com>
> Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] Bill Gates Says Vaccines Can Help Reduce 
> WorldPopulation
> To: "'Lee Loe'" <leeloe at igc.org>, "'Discuss PAA-TX'" 
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> Date: Sunday, October 3, 2010, 7:21 PM
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> The reason that vaccinations reduce world population is thaat more 
> babies live and therefore, people quit having more children who live a 
> short time but don't make it to adulthood and working age to help the 
> family survive. I was alive at the beginning of the end of the polio 
> epidemics and it was pretty awful. Vaccines made a difference. Also, 
> if you have one child crippled and unable to work, you need more 
> children to help support the family. I know you won't believe any of 
> this, but Mike Adams is nuts! Leee
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> Subject: [PAA-Discuss] Bill Gates
> Says Vaccines Can Help Reduce WorldPopulation
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> http://www.naturalnews.com/z029911_vaccines_Bill_Gates.html
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> Bill Gates says vaccines can help reduce world population
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> by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger,
> NaturalNews Editor
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> (NaturalNews) In a recent TED conference presentation, Microsoft 
> billionaire Bill Gates, who has donated hundreds of millions of 
> dollars to new vaccine efforts, speaks on the issue of CO2 emissions 
> and its effects on climate change. He presents a formula for tracking 
> CO2 emissions as follows: CO2 = P x S x E x C.
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> P = People
>
> S = Services per person
>
> E = Energy per service
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> C = CO2 per energy unit
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> Then he adds that in order to get CO2 to zero, "probably one of these 
> numbers is going to have to get pretty close to zero."
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> Following that, Bill Gates
> begins to describe how the first number -- P (for People) -- might be 
> reduced.
> He says:
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> "The world today has 6.8 billion
> people... that's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really 
> great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, 
> we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent."
>
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>
> You can watch this yourself at:
>
> http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=A...
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> Reducing the world population through vaccines
>
> This statement by Bill Gates was
> not made with any hesitation, stuttering or other indication that it 
> might have been a mistake. It appears to have been a deliberate, 
> calculated part of a well developed and coherent presentation.
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>
>
> So what does it mean when Bill Gates says "if we do a really great job on
> new vaccines... we could lower [world population] by 10 or 15 percent?"
>
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>
> Clearly, this statement implies that vaccines
> are a method of population reduction. So is "health care," which
> all NaturalNews readers already know to be more of a "sick care"
> system that actually harms more people than it helps.
>
>
>
> Perhaps that's the whole point of it. Given that vaccines technology help
> almost no one from a scientific point of view
> (http://www.naturalnews.com/029641_v...), it raises the
> question: For what purpose are vaccines being so heavily pushed in the
> first
> place?
>
>
>
> Bill Gates seems to be saying that one of the primary purposes is to
> reduce the
> global population as a mechanism by which we can reduce CO2 emissions.
> Once
> again, watch the video yourself to hear him say it in his own words:
>
> http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=A...
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> How can vaccines actually be used to reduce world population?
>
> Let's conduct a mental experiment
> on this issue. If vaccines are to be used to reduce world population, they
> obviously need to be accepted by the majority of the people. Otherwise the
> population reduction effort wouldn't be very effective.
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> And in order for them to be accepted by the majority of the people, they
> obviously can't just kill people outright. If everybody started dropping
> dead
> within 24 hours of receiving the flu shot, the danger of vaccines would
> become
> obvious rather quickly and the vaccines would be recalled.
>
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>
> Thus, if vaccines are to be used as an effective population reduction
> effort,
> there are really only three ways in which they might theoretically be
> "effective" from the point of view of those who wish to reduce world
> population:
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> #1) They might kill people slowly
> in a way that's unnoticeable, taking effect over perhaps 10 - 30 years by
> accelerating degenerative diseases.
>
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> #2) They might reduce fertility
> and therefore dramatically lower birth rates around the world, thereby
> reducing
> the world population over successive generations. This "soft kill"
> method might seem more acceptable to scientists who want to see the world
> population fall but don't quite have the stomach to outright kill people
> with
> conventional medicine. There is already evidence that vaccines may promote
> miscarriages (http://www.naturalnews.com/027512_v...).
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>
>
> #3) They might increase the death rate from a future
> pandemic. Theoretically, widespread vaccination efforts could be
> followed by a deliberate release of a highly virulent flu strain with a
> high
> fatality rate. This "bioweapon" approach could kill millions of
> people whose immune systems have been weakened by previous vaccine
> injections.
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> This is a known side effect of some vaccines, by the way. A study
> documenting
> this was published in PLoS. Read the story here:
> http://www.naturalnews.com/028538_s...
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> Here's the study title and citation: Does
> Seasonal Influenza Vaccination Increase the Risk of Illness with the 2009
> A/H1N1 Pandemic Virus?
>
> Viboud C, Simonsen L (2010) Does Seasonal
> Influenza Vaccination Increase the Risk of Illness with the 2009 A/H1N1
> Pandemic Virus? PLoS Med 7(4): e1000259. doi:10.1371/journal.pmed.1000259
>
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>
> The short answer is yes, seasonal flu vaccines do cause
> increased susceptibility to the H1N1 pandemic virus. In other
> words, seasonal flu vaccines could set up the population for a "hard
> kill" pandemic that could wipe out a significant portion of the global
> population (perhaps 10 to 15 percent, as Bill Gates suggested).
>
>
>
> Conveniently, their deaths
> could be blamed on the pandemic, thereby diverting blame from those who
> were
> really responsible for the plot. As yet another beneficial side effect for
> the
> global population killers, the widespread deaths could be used as a fear
> tool
> to urge more people to get vaccinated yet again, and the entire cycle
> could be
> repeated until world population was brought down to whatever manageable
> level
> was desired... all in the name of health care!
>
>
>
> The more people around the world are vaccinated before the release of the
> "hard kill" pandemic virus, the more powerful the
> effect of this approach.
>
> The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
>
> Perhaps not coincidentally, the
> Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has funneled hundreds of millions of
> dollars
> into vaccine programs targeting people all over the world. One such
> program is
> researching the development of "sweat-triggered vaccines" that could
> use specially-coated nano-materials to deliver vaccines to people without
> using
> injections.
>
>
>
> More interestingly, his foundation has also invested millions in
> sterilization
> technologies that have been called a "temporary
> castration" solution. (http://www.naturalnews.com/028887_v...)
>
>
>
> It seems that the actions of the Gates foundation are entirely consistent
> with
> the formula for CO2 reduction
> that Bill Gates eluded to in his TED conference speech: CO2 =
> P x S x E x C.
>
>
>
> By reducing birth rates (through sterilization technologies) and
> increasing
> vaccine penetration throughout the world population (by using
> sweat-triggered
> nano-vaccines), his stated goal of reducing the world population by 10 to
> 15
> percent could be reached within just a few years.
>
> Who will be left alive? The smart people
>
> The interesting thing about all this is that this campaign
> to reduce global population through vaccines will obviously not impact
> people
> who consciously avoid vaccines. And those people, by and large, tend to be
> the
> more intelligent, capable people who actually have an improved ability to
> move
> human civilization forward with thoughtful consideration.
>
>
>
> I can only imagine that those people designing this vaccine-induced
> population
> control measure might be sitting around a table chuckling to themselves
> and
> saying, "It's only the stupid people that are going to be killed off
> anyway, so this is actually helping the future of humankind!" (Their
> words,
> not mine.)
>
>
>
> In a weird world government
> kind of way, this effort might actually be based on some distorted vision
> of philanthropy where some of the most
> powerful people in the world quite literally believe the way to save
> humanity
> is to kill off as many of the gullible people
> as possible. Vaccines are, in effect, an "evil genius"
> kind of way to conduct an IQ
> test on the population at large: If you go get vaccinated every flu
> season,
> you're not too bright and probably don't engage the kind of strong mental
> faculties that humanity will no doubt need if it is to face a future where
> it
> is now all but obvious we are not alone in the universe.
>
>
>
> If humanity is to save itself from its own destruction and compete as an
> uplifted species in our universe, killing off the least intelligent
> members of
> society (or making them infertile) may appear to the world controllers to
> be a
> perfectly reasonable approach. I disagree with that approach, but it may
> be
> precisely what they are thinking.
>
>
>
> In any case, choosing to receive a seasonal flu shot is undoubtedly an
> admission that you have failed some sort of universal IQ test, whether or
> not
> this is the intention of world influencers such as Bill Gates. More
> importantly, it is also a betrayal of your own biology, because it
> indicates
> you don't believe in the ability of your own immune system to protect you
> even
> from mild infections.
>
>
>
> Perhaps the world vaccine conspirators figure that if people are willing
> to
> betray themselves anyway, it's not much different for governments and
> institutions to betray them as well. In other words, if you don't even
> care
> enough about your own health to take care of your health, why should any
> government care about protecting your health, either?
>
>
>
> As you ponder this, also consider something else: The U.S. is going broke
> due
> to sick-care costs which
> are rising dramatically under the new federal health care reform
> guidelines.
> Can you guess the fastest and easiest way to reduce those health care
> costs? If
> you guessed, "unleash a hard-kill pandemic that takes out a significant
> portion of the weak or sick people" then you guessed right. Sadly, killing
> off those most vulnerable to sickness could save the
>  U.S. government literally billions
> of dollars in sick-care expenditures. Plus, it would save Social Security
> yet
> more billions by avoiding ongoing monthly payouts. (Again, I am completely
> against such an approach because I value human life, but I also know we
> live in
> a world where the people in charge have little or no respect for human
> life and
> will readily sacrifice human lives to achieve their aims.)
>
>
>
> As far as Bill Gates goes, consider his statement in the context of what
> we've
> discussed here: "The world today has
> 6.8 billion people... that's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a
> really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health
> services, we
> could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent."
>
>
>
> It suddenly seems to make a lot of sense when you understand that reducing
> the
> population reduces CO2 emissions,
> and using more vaccines on more people increases the death rate of the
> population.
>
>
>
> My advice? Try to avoid being among those 10 to 15 percent who get culled
> through global vaccine programs. You will not only save your life, you'll
> also
> pass the "universal IQ test" which determines whether you're smart
> enough to know that injecting your body with chemicals and viral fragments
> in
> order to stop "seasonal flu" is a foolish endeavor.
>
>
>
> Be healthy and wise, and you'll survive the world
> depopulation effort that victimizes conventional thinkers who don't
> have the intelligence to question what they're being told to do by their
> own
> corrupt governments.
>
>
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