[PAA-Discuss] Obama's Massive Struggle ...

[robert]

we have been fooled, hoodwinked, bamboozled and lied to about this
invasion/occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq..........they....... Obama and
the Dems are playing "good cop/bad cop"........."if it were not for the (bad
cop) generals"  "if it weren't for those (bad cop) tea party people" "if it
were not for all those Al-Qaida (cia director Panetta said there were no
more than 50-100)"
<http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/28/2938358.htm>
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/28/2938358.htm "if it were not
for all those women that we need to be there to protect their rights"  this
is all nonsense and is justification for maintaining the
Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld doctrine of "endless war"..............you have to
ask.........Qui Bono?.........who benefits?  WHO BENEFITS?  Who got a $780
Billion bailout.......where.......exactly did that money go? see:
<http://dailybail.com/home/alan-grayson-which-foreign-banks-got-the-feds-500
-billion-be.html>
http://dailybail.com/home/alan-grayson-which-foreign-banks-got-the-feds-500-
billion-be.html Berneke who not tell a Senate committee investigating the
crime..........who does Berneke work for?  He is appointed by the
President........does that mean that he can be fired by the President?  
 
besides............who brought down......."pulled" building #7 at 5:20 pm 11
Sept 2001 at free fall speed into its own footprint?  Who benefits? who has
the motive? who has that kind of military technology? see:
http://groups.google.com/group/total_truth_sciences/browse_thread/thread/c2f
5dd7790ff3abe
 
and why has this call for a real investigation of the events of 911 been
demonized......marginalized by members on this list.......people calling
themselves "progressives"  see:
http://www.questionsquestions.net/gatekeepers.html
 
and ask yourself..........why has the DEMS stopped funding these Crimes
against Humanity?  At least they tried before Obomba.  They all need to be
removed from office.........they are all complicit in
murder..........everyone of those who have been murdered by our military and
contractors are innocent victims..........and we are all criminal by
allowing this evil to take place........after all we give them consent every
time we go to the polls.......pay their tax.......buy their stuff......turn
on their media.  We deserve exactly the government  we put out there.  

robert

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From: discuss-bounces at paa-tx.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at paa-tx.org] On
Behalf Of Ron and Kris Graham
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:31 PM
To: 'Lee Loe'; discuss at paa-tx.org; 'Deb Shafto '
Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] Obama's Massive Struggle ...



As President and Commander in Chief, Obama has the right and the obligation
to fire his generals and anybody else under his command that is in breach of
Obama's authority. Petraeus can be fired outright for insubordination, Lee
if he disobeys a direct order from his Commander in Chief Obama. If and when
Barack Obama says to get the hell out of Afghanistan then Petraeus had
better do it. He would be disobeying a direct order from his Commander in
Chief. Petraeus works for Obama, Lee. If Obama chooses not to fire Petraeus
then he is making a grave mistake and is engaging in dereliction of duty as
head of the U.S. military. If the CIA or a faction of the CIA, FBI and
Pentagon have gone rogue, which I think they have, then Obama needs to come
out in the MSM and say so and splatter his suspicions or even his proof,
assuming he has any, all over the television set and newspapers for the
American people to see and hear. He also needs to say that in light of these
revelations his assassination may be forthcoming. That way, if an
assassination happens or an assassination attempt, even with a contingent of
Secret Service to protect him, the American people will know beyond a shadow
of a doubt that the president was physically threatened or offed by members
of the CIA and/or their paid stooges. Then, perhaps the American people will
get off their fat, lazy asses, realize they/we are in grave danger and rise
up in their millions and overthrow the whole lot of the sorry bastards in
government and maybe a whole lot of wealthy fascists, too, who are
bankrolling the sorry bastards in government.

 

This is what needs to happen anyway whether or not Obama decides to do his
duty as President and Commander in Chief of the U.S. military. He HAS the
power to do what is right, Lee. Does he have the guts?? That is the $64,000
question. 

 

I am tired of everyone giving Obama a free pass and saying his hands are
tied or he is being hamstrung by the generals in the military and by members
of the Democratic Party. This is a specious excuse. Obama KNEW the risks of
being president of the United States, Lee. If he couldn't or can't take the
heat he needs to get out of the kitchen.

 

It remains to be seen if Obama really cares about this country and its
people. I don't think he truly does. I think he cares about what's best for
himself and his family, Lee.

 

Kris

 

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From: Lee Loe [mailto:leeloe at igc.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 3:37 PM
To: 'Ron and Kris Graham'
Subject: Obama's Massive Struggle ...

 

This is from the new Woodward book. This is the same as it was with JFK. And
why he was killed; Bobby, too. Several folks have read JFK and the
Unspeakable and that is where I get this. Johnson said he didn't want to be
the first pres to lose a war. Obama has said he doesn't want to pass the
wars on to the next pres. Both speak of putting money into the US and its
people. Also check out the Washing Post and its coverage of the Woodward
book. Lee

Obama's Struggle with the War Machine 

Even if Barack Obama is seriously betting on his exit strategy, the Pentagon
wants infinite war.

by Pedro Escobar, Asian Times 

September 24, 2010- As that self-appointed court stenographer Bob Woodward
reveals in his latest court opus Obama's Wars - conveniently leaked to the
Washington Post and the New York Times - the Central Intelligence Agency
(CIA) is shelling out the moolah for its own, 3,000-assassin-plus Murder Inc
to roam in AfPak. These paramilitary - brigade-size - outfits, "elite and
well trained", have been branded Counter-terrorist Pursuit Teams (CPT).

Much is being made in US corporate media that this shady CPT posse is able
to "cross-over" to the tribal areas in Pakistani territory and, like in that
famous Heineken ad campaign, reach the parts US intelligence are not able to
reach. Aware Latin Americans - with a shrug - will see this as Bad Joke
redux: the "Salvador option" is back. As much as these Afghan assassins have
been flown to the US for training, the infamous School of the Americas in
the 1970s and 1980s trained death squads of natives to kill their
compatriots from Chile to El Salvador. The CIA not exactly excels on
thinking outside the box.

Old Afghan hands will also be thrilled; this is a small-scale remix of the
Afghan mujahideen fighting the anti-Soviet 1980s jihad. Everyone knows what
happened afterwards to those bad asses Ronald Reagan called "freedom
fighters"; they turned against the US. Maybe some enterprising CIA analysts
should share a kebab with their old pal on a payroll, former Afghan prime
minister Gulbuddin "bomb, bomb Kabul" Hekmatyar, an eternal mujahid today on
Washington's most wanted list.

Calling Jack Bauer 

Every grain of sand in the Hindu Kush has known since 2001 that the
Americans, be they Pentagon, CIA - some Pakistanis say even the Federal
Bureau of Investigation - employ a "secret army" in AfPak. The Pentagon's
Murder Inc was unveiled by Wikileaks only three months ago. Now it's
Woodward unveiling the CIA's. What next? A Jack Bauer unit, serialized on
cable?

Civilian "collateral damage" by the Pentagon's Murder Inc has been splashed
on the news virtually every week. As for the CIA's, still there are no
numbers. The Hindu Kush grains of sand are also aware that the concept of
Pakistani "sovereignty" is a myth. Everyone should expect from now on
another rainfall of denials from Islamabad - notwithstanding the fact of
Pentagon and CIA killer drones raising hell over large swathes of Pakistani
territory (more than 70 strikes in 2010 alone).

If this is a war against al-Qaeda, as the George W Bush/Barack Obama
continuum insists, Langley, we got a problem; there's fewer than 50 Arab
al-Qaeda jihadis in Afghanistan, as every US intelligence agency proclaims.
And there are fewer than 100 jihadis in the Waziristans. If Washington
really wants to know where the leadership is, the easiest way is to bribe
mid-level Pakistani Inter Services Intelligence operatives in
Rawalpindi/Islamabad. The ISI-al Qaeda-Taliban connection is and will remain
unbreakable - part of Islamabad's obsession with "strategic depth". This is
the connection that killed Northern Alliance commander Ahmad Shah Massoud,
the Lion of the Panjshir, on September 9, 2001, two days before 9/11 - thus
precluding a true Afghan nationalist from reaching power instead of that
Zalmay "Bush's Afghan' Khalilzad asset, Hamid Karzai.

Across what is in effect Pashtunistan, the "border" does not exist - after
all the Durand Line was a British invention to split the Pashtuns; everyone
has interwoven webs of Pashtun "cousins", everyone is "family". Some family
members may rat on others for financial gain, but nothing extremely
substantive will come out of it.

I was in Tora Bora in late 2001 when US Special Forces were bribing and
advising local commanders on how to attack al-Qaeda. The commanders
gleefully took US money, made a pose of throwing a few shells with their
outdated Soviet tanks, and helped al-Qaeda - Osama bin Laden included - to
escape the other way, to Parachinar, towards the Pakistani tribal areas.
They even "advised" the American B52s to bomb the wrong mountains. 

Washington is now deploying its full metal jacket - from the Pentagon and
CIA secret armies to killer drones to special forces commando raids to
Blackwater-conducted "snatch and grab" commandos. All these special effects
for what? To kill a few tribal Pakistani Taliban commanders - replaced the
same week by a blood relative - and a few jihadis, replaced the same week by
a steady stream from the Gulf.

Neither Woodward nor the CIA are volunteering where the Afghan warriors for
this Murder Inc are coming from. If they are Tajiks or Uzbeks or Hazaras
they cannot crossover to Pakistan's tribal areas without being detected. So
they must be Pashtuns from rival tribes. And they're only in it for the
money. It's also interesting to consider that the CIA pays for yet another
Pashtun militia in Kandahar led by none other then drug business warlord
Ahmed Wali Karzai, President Hamid's brother.

Never lose sight of the spectrum

This whole scheme is essentially what passes for General David "I'm always
positioning myself to 2012" Petraeus' grandiose COIN strategy; co-opted
locals ranged in death squads and paid with Samsonites full of cash (plus a
drone war as "back up"). It worked for Petraeus in Iraq - leading him to
boast to a gullible corporate media he had "won" the war. Petraeus believes
he can pull a remix in AfPak. The Pentagon seems to be at least a bit wary
of warlords - as warlord-hostage Hamid Karzai cannot rule even over his
throne in Kabul. But the CIA doesn't care about warlords - it goes for
broke.

Nothing will change on the ground in terms of the ISI-Taliban nexus. But the
game gets much more interesting when one factors what enlightened Pakistani
public opinion - in the major urban centers - already fed up with
Islamabad's subservience to Washington, will make of Woodward's disclosure.

The key - one may say tragic - point of Woodward's book is that Obama not
only cannot end the Afghan war; he cannot even downscale it to target only
the fewer than 100 jihadis and the Pakistani Taliban sheltered in the tribal
areas without incurring blowback. Woodward says that Obama is seriously
betting on his exit strategy - he wants by all means a progressive
withdrawal from Afghanistan starting next summer. But "his" general,
Petraeus - the Pentagon in fact - wants infinite war.

What Woodward's book - and the corporate media orchestrated narrative - will
never tell is "why" infinite war. Because of the New Great Game in Eurasia.
Because of the need of military bases to spy on strategic competitors Russia
and China. Because of the US's obsession with Pipelineistan in Central Asia
bypassing both Russia and Iran. Because of the Pentagon's full spectrum
dominance doctrine - which justifies infinitely ballooning military budgets.

If Obama has really admitted, "I can't lose the whole Democratic Party", he
knows he is really in a jam; Obama thought he had 2011 and 2012 to wrap-up
some kind of AfPak "victory" before US public opinion turned against him.
Well, public opinion is already against him (Bill Clinton is encouraging the
president to "embrace people's anger" .) As for wily Petraeus, he has now
unleashed a media blitz revolving around one single theme - he won't be
rushed, and the war could go on until 2020. 

In the book, Obama is quoted as saying, "I'm not doing 10 years . I'm not
doing long-term nation-building. I am not spending a trillion dollars".

So what should Obama do? He could call his backers in Hollywood - which
after all won the Vietnam war on film. Hollywood also won the Iraq War - via
The Hurt Locker. The president could even win an Oscar - much cooler than a
Nobel.

Now seriously. In real life, history eschews Hollywood. AfPak may swallow
this president, the next president, the CIA and row after row of full
spectrum dominance-decorated generals faster than one can say "Faster CIA!
Kill! Kill!" Goodbye Kabul? More like Good morning, Vietnam. ~ Pepe Escobar
is the author of Globalistan: How the Globalized World is Dissolving into
Liquid War (Nimble Books, 2007) and Red Zone Blues: a snapshot of Baghdad
during the surge. His new book, just out, is Obama does Globalistan (Nimble
Books, 2009). He may be reached at pepeasia at yahoo.

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