[PAA-Discuss] FW: [ufpj-activist] Stopping a Ground War in Libya:Impeachment Campaign against Obama?

Lee Loe leeloe at igc.org
Sat Mar 26 18:15:46 EDT 2011


This sounds like a good idea to me. It gets the Congress aware of the
displeasure with the no-fly action we are feeling and can help with getting
an impeachment statement into Congress. Lee 

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From: ufpj-activist-bounces+leeloe=igc.org at lists.mayfirst.org
[mailto:ufpj-activist-bounces+leeloe=igc.org at lists.mayfirst.org] On Behalf
Of Steve Burns
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:17 PM
To: Boyle, Francis
Cc: ufpj-activist
Subject: Re: [ufpj-activist] Stopping a Ground War in Libya:Impeachment
Campaign against Obama?


I don't offer this as an alternative to an impeachment campaign, but as a
parallel track to pursue (sent out yesterday to membership of Wisconsin
Network for Peace and Justice <http://wnpj.org> )


Action Alert: Ask your Rep. to demand Congressional input on Libya war
Background: A bipartisan group of eight members of the House of
Representatives have joined together to draft House
<http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:H.CON.RES.31:@@@P%20>
Concurrent Resolution 31 "Expressing the sense of Congress that the
President is required to obtain in advance specific statutory authorization
for the use of United States Armed Forces in response to civil unrest in
Libya."  As the national organization Just Foreign Policy
<http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/%20>  notes, "If President Obama can bomb
Libya without Congressional authorization, then President Palin can bomb
Iran without Congressional authorization." 
Take action: Please contact your Congressional representative (Congressional
switchboard: 202-224-3121) to urge them to sign on as cosponsors to HCR. 31
and to support the bill if it comes to the floor for a vote. There are
currently no Wisconsin
<http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.uscongress/legislation.112hconres31> cosponsors.
Contact for more info: Just Foreign Policy, (202) 448-2898,
info at justforeignpolicy.org 


In terms of strategy for preventing ground troops from being sent to Libya,
we know the Obama administration has already been put on the defensive about
its decision to launch air attacks on Libya without Congressional
authorization, so getting members of Congress to press further on this point
could help create a greater reluctance on the part of the Obama
administration to further expand the Lybia war. A focus on the lack of
Congressional authorization could also provide an easy unifying point for
those who can't agree on the validity of the humanitarian argument for
intervention.

And we we know that there are elements within the military that don't want
any part of a ground war in Libya, so this is a case where public pressure
and Congressional pressure could help to widen the split within the Obama
administration between the interventionists and the non-interventionists,
and stop a further escalation of the war.

Steve Burns
Wisconsin Network for Peace and  <http://wnpj.org> Justice





 


On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Boyle, Francis <FBOYLE at law.illinois.edu>
wrote:


Thanks Bob.I agree. I have already approached 3  MOCs about putting in a
Bill of Impeachment against Obama to send him a message. So far, no luck.
But if anyone out there can find one, please have that MOC get in touch with
me ASAP. I did the first draft of the Gonzalez Impeachment Resolution
against Bush Sr and served as Counsel to Henry B on his impeachment
campaign.. And  Bush Sr at least had express authorization from Congress
under the War Powers Resolution. So this would be a slam-dunk on drawing up
articles of impeachment. In fact, how about if we start a Campaign to
Impeach Obama? That would get his attention and may shut down this war. In
his Memoirs Bush Sr said that one of the reasons he did not go all the way
to Baghdad was that he feared impeachment-a campaign started by Gonzalez,
Ramsey Clark and me just before the war started. We did not stop the war.
But we did have an impact on Bush Sr invading Iraq. So maybe we can deter
Obama from a ground invasion of Libya  with an Impeachment Campaign? 

                 I am not going to go through all the technical legal issues
here. You can read my book Protesting Power: War, Resistance and Law (Rowman
and Littlefield Inc. 2008), at amazon.com in paperback version. But the
Gonzalez Impeachment Resolution is below. If we had hundreds of thousands of
people chanting "IMPEACH OBAMA" at the April 8-9 peace rallies, that could
make a difference and prevent a ground invasion.

 

Fab.

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The Gonzalez Resolution to Impeach George Bush

 

Congressional Record, Jan. 16, 1991, at H520-21.

 

RESOLUTION OF IMPEACHMENT OF PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH

 

The SPEAKER pro tempore. Under a previous order of the House,

the gentleman from Texas [Mr. GONZALEZ] is recognized for 60 minutes.

 

Mr. GONZALEZ, Madam Speaker, it is with great sadness, and yet with equally

great, if not greater, conviction, that I introduce today a resolution of

impeachment of President Bush. It is known as House Resolution 34, and I

will provide this resolution as introduced to be appended at the end of my

remarks today.

 

At a time when our Nation is deeply divided over the question of

war, we find ourselves on the brink of a world war of such magnitude that

our minds cannot fully comprehend the destruction that is about to be

leveled. The position we are in is a direct result of the actions of one

man and the reactions of another. The Iraqi people are as opposed to war as

are the American people. The difference is that the Iraqi people have no

choice but to support their country's leader, but the American people not

only have the right to oppose and speak out in disagreement with the

President, but they have the responsibility to do so if our democracy is to

be preserved. Today I exercise this constitutional right and responsibility

to speak out in opposition to war in the Middle East and in support of

removal of our Nation's Chief Executive.

 

When I took the oath of office earlier this month, as I had

numerous times before, I swore to uphold the Constitution. The President's

oath was the same, to uphold the Constitution of the United States. We did

not pledge an oath of allegiance to the President but to the Constitution,

which is the highest law of the land. The Constitution provides for removal

of the President when he has committed high crimes and misdemeanors,

including violations of the principles of the Constitution. President Bush

has violated these principles.

 

My resolution has five articles of impeachment. First, the

President has violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution. Our

soldiers in the Middle East are overwhelmingly poor white, black, and

Mexican-American or Hispanic-American. They may be volunteers technically,

but their voluntarism is based on the coercion of a system that has denied

viable opportunities to these classes of our citizens. Under the

Constitution, all classes of citizens are guaranteed equal protection, and

calling on the poor and the minorities to fight a war for oil to preserve

the lifestyles of the wealthy is a denial of the rights of these soldiers.

 

Let me add that since 1981 we have suffered the Reagan-Bush and

now the Bush war against the poor, and to add insult to injury, we now are

asking the poor to fight while here, as a result of this fight, even the

meager programs that the Congress had seen fit to preserve as a national

policy will suffer because the money for those programs will be diverted to

the cause of this unnecessary war.

 

Article II of this resolution states that the President has

violated the Constitution, Federal law, and the U.N. Charter by bribing,

intimidating, and threatening others, including the members of the U.N.

Security Council, to support belligerent acts against Iraq. It is clear

that the President paid off members of the U.N. Security Council in return

for their votes in support of war against Iraq or to abstain from voting

contrariwise. The debt of Egypt was, for example, forgiven--$7 billion,

without congressional approval. That, I think, casts doubtful validity on

that Presidential action. The reason for the cancellation of that debt is

so that we can then provide an equally enormous amount of armament for Egypt

which it cannot obtain because of the debt outstanding. A $140 million loan

to China was agreed to. The Soviet Union was promised over $7 billion in

aid. This is a sum totally unreported in our country but very well

discussed in foreign country presses such as Germany and others. Colombia

was promised assistance to its armed forces. Zaire was promised military

assistance and partial forgiveness of its debt. Saudi Arabia was promised

$12 billion in arms, and more than that. Actually in October, the President

let them have $2.2 billion, and there was a commitment for $21 billion more,

but because of the outcry in Congress and the Israeli opposition, that is

being postponed. But there is still a commitment for $22 billion. I am

sure this month will see the initial efforts to bring about compliance with

that commitment.

 

Yemen was threatened with the termination of support, and the United States

finally paid off $187 million of its debt to the United Nations after the

vote President Bush sought was made.

 

This is all so ironic. When our President ran for the U.S. Senate in the

1960's, he told the people of Texas that if he would be elected to the

Senate, he would lead the fight to remove the United States from the United

Nations if what he called Red China at that time was admitted. Fate and

power almighty have a very, very mysterious way of working together. Who was

to believe during that year in that race in Texas that years later this same

man, now the President, would be the man the President would appoint to

represent us in the United Nations and welcome Red China as a member of the

United Nations.

 

The vote was bought, and it will be paid for with the lives of our poor

elements who are going to shoulder the fight.

 

Article III states that the President has conspired to engage in a massive

war against Iraq, employing methods of mass destruction that will result in

the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, many of whom will be

children. No civilian lives have yet been lost that we know of, but when we

start using the weapons of massive destruction that are in place for this

war, there is no doubt that thousands of innocent civilians will lose their

lives. As killings occur, the principles laid down in the Nuremberg trials

will be applicable. Their deaths will not only be a moral outrage, they will

constitute violations of international law.

 

Article IV states that the President has committed the United States to acts

of war without congressional consent and contrary to the U.N. Charter and

international law. From August 1990 through January 1991 the President

embarked on a course of action that systematically eliminated every option

for peaceful resolution of the Persian Gulf crisis. Once the President

approached Congress for a declaration of war, 500,000 American soldiers

lives were in jeopardy, rendering any substantive debate by Congress

meaningless. It is also ironic that what we have ended up with now is that

the President has exchanged about 200 to 250 so-called hostages, Americans,

all of them employees of oil companies in Kuwait or Iraq, and in exchange we

now have close to 500,000 American soldiers as hostages. Hostages to the

whims, the caprices, and the decisions and judgments made by other leaders,

over which this President and our country has no control, all the way from

Shamir of Israel to the immigrants in the Saudi sands.

 

Article 5 states that the President has conspired to commit crimes against

the peace by leading the United States into aggressive war against Iraq, in

violation of article 24 of the U.N. Charter, the Nuremberg Charter, other

international instruments and treaties, and the Constitution of the United

States.

 

Again, there is a violation of law by a President, who, believing and acting

as if he is king, decides for the country, unilaterally, that war is the

answer.

 

Madam Speaker, it is a sad day for our country, and it will be an even

sadder day once the fighting starts. President Bush must be stopped. A

divided Congress reflecting the divided country is no way to conduct a war.

The preservation of lives is at stake, and the preservation of our country,

indeed, our democracy, is at stake as well.

 

I urge my colleagues to support this resolution. All I ask is a hearing, as

I have before, before the proper committee of proper jurisdiction, and that

is it. I will argue the case there. The rest is up to the Members' judgment.

 

Madam Speaker, I urge interest and support of this resolution, and to stand

up to the President on behalf of the soldiers who will die, the civilians

who will be massacred, and the Constitution that will be destroyed if this

country goes to war in the Middle East.

 

102nd Congress

H.Res.86

 

1st Session

 

____/s/ Henry B.Gonzalez____

 

Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United

States, of high crimes and misdemeanors.

_______________________________________________

 

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

 

February 21, 1991 (originally

January 16, 1991)

 

Mr. GONZALEZ submitted the following resolution; which was

referred to the Committee on Judiciary.

________________________________________________

 

                          A RESOLUTION

 

Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United

States, of high crimes and misdemeanors.

 

Impeaching George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States, of

high crimes and misdemeanors.

 

Resolved, That George Herbert Walker Bush, President of the United States is

impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles

of impeachment be exhibited to the Senate:

 

Articles of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the

United States of America in the name of itself and of all of the people of

the United States of America, against George Herbert Walker Bush, President

of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its

impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.

 

                             ARTICLE I

 

In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George

Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to

execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his

ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United

States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the

laws be faithfully executed, has violated the equal protection clause of the

Constitution. U.S. soldiers in the Middle East are overwhelmingly poor

white, black, and Mexican-American, and their military service is based on

the coercion of an system that has denied viable economic opportunities to

these classes of citizens. Under the Constitution, all classes of citizens

are guaranteed equal protection, and calling on the poor and minorities to

fight a war for oil to preserve the lifestyles of the wealthy is a denial of

the rights of these soldiers. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush has

acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of

constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and

justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

 

Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment

and trial, and removal from office.

 

                            ARTICLE II

 

In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George

Herbert Walker bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to

execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his

ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United

States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the

laws be faithfully executed, has violated the U.S. Constitution, federal law

and the United Nations Charter by bribing, intimidating and threatening

others, including the members of the United Nations Security Council, to

support belligerent acts against Iraq. In all of this George Herbert Walker

Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive

of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and

justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

 

Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment

and trial, and removal from office.

 

                            ARTICLE III

 

In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George

Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to

execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his

ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United

States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the

laws be faithfully executed, has prepared, planned, and conspired to engage

in a massive war against Iraq employing methods of mass destruction that

will result in the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, many of whom

will be children. This planning includes the placement and potential use of

nuclear weapons, and the use of such indiscriminate weapons and massive

killings by serial bombardment, or otherwise, of civilians violates the

Hague Conventions of 1907 and 1923, the Geneva Conventions of 1949 and

Protocol I thereto, the Nuremberg Charter, the Genocide Convention and the

United Nations Declaration of Human Rights. In all of this George Herbert

Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and

subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause

of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United

States.

 

Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment

and trial, and removal from office.

 

                            ARTICLE IV

 

In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George

Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to

execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his

ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United

States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the

laws be faithfully executed, has committed the United States to acts of war

without congressional consent and contrary to the United Nations Charter and

international law. From August, 1990, through January, 1991, the President

embarked on a course of action that systematically eliminated every option

for peaceful resolution of the Persian Gulf crisis. Once the President

approached Congress for a declaration of war, 500,000 American soldiers'

lives were in jeopardy - rendering any substantive debate by Congress

meaningless. The President has not received a declaration of war by

Congress, and in contravention of the written word, the spirit, and the

intent of the U.S. Constitution has declared that he will go to war

regardless of the views of Congress and the American people. In failing to

seek a declaration of war, and in declaring his intent to violate the

Constitution in disregarding the acts of Congress - including the War Powers

Resolution - George Herbert Walker Bush has acted in a manner contrary to

his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the

great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury

of the people of the United States.

 

Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment

and trial, and removal from office.

 

                            ARTICLE V

 

In the conduct of the office of President of the United States, George

Herbert Walker Bush, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to

execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his

ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United

States, and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the

laws be faithfully executed, has planned, prepared, and conspired to commit

crimes against the peace by leading the United States into aggressive war

against Iraq in violation of Article 2(4) of the United Nations Charter, the

Nuremberg Charter, other international instruments and treaties, and the

Constitution of the United States. In all of this George Herbert Walker Bush

has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of

constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and

justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

 

Wherefore George Herbert Walker Bush, by such conduct, warrants impeachment

and trial, and removal from office.



       

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(personal comments only)

 

From: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com [mailto:naiman.uiuc at gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Robert Naiman
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 2:20 PM
To: Boyle, Francis
Cc: jeffleys at vcnv.org; ufpj-activist
Subject: Re: [ufpj-activist] Stopping a Ground War in Libya

 

Congress could prohibit the introduction of US ground troops into Libya.
History would suggest that the time for pushing this is now, not waiting
until ground action is imminent, at which point it might be too late to stop
the train. 

Has anyone talked to Members of Congress about prohibiting the introduction
of US ground forces into Libya?

 

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Boyle, Francis <FBOYLE at law.illinois.edu>
wrote:

To continue with the analogy, although it is not precise, but it is all we
have to go on. Basically the Obama/Clinton people are using the Libyan
Opposition on the ground  like they used the KLA on the ground  in Serbia
during the bombing campaign. But again, compared to Serbia, Libya is pretty
defenseless. So my guess is that  the timeframe for a ground invasion is a
lot shorter than 78 days.

 

Fab

 

 

Francis A. Boyle

Law Building

504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.

Champaign, IL 61820 USA

217-333-7954 (Voice)

217-244-1478 (Fax)

(personal comments only)

 

From: Boyle, Francis 
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:47 AM
To: Boyle, Francis; jeffleys at vcnv.org; ufpj-activist
Subject: RE: [ufpj-activist] Fw: More from Gilbert Achcar (Libya debate)

 

Many of the Obama people were Clinton people when he bombed the hell out of
Serbia. That bombing campaign took 78 days. They were threatening  a land
invasion all along. Serbia then capitulated. Ghadafy is not going to
capitulate. So if Ghadafy is not overthrown, at best we might have 78 days
to  head off a land invasion. The difference is that Serbia had one of the
most powerful armies in Europe. Libya does not. So the time-frame for a land
invasion could be a lot shorter. Maybe a month if we are lucky.

 

Fab. 

 

Francis A. Boyle

Law Building

504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.

Champaign, IL 61820 USA

217-333-7954 (Voice)

217-244-1478 (Fax)

(personal comments only)

 

From: ufpj-activist-bounces+fboyle=law.illinois.edu at lists.mayfirst.org
[mailto:ufpj-activist-bounces+fboyle <mailto:ufpj-activist-bounces%2Bfboyle>
=law.illinois.edu at lists.mayfirst.org] On Behalf Of Boyle, Francis
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:42 AM
To: jeffleys at vcnv.org; ufpj-activist
Subject: Re: [ufpj-activist] Fw: More from Gilbert Achcar (Libya debate)

 

GREAT! Let's move forward from there!

 

Fab

 

 

Francis A. Boyle

Law Building

504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.

Champaign, IL 61820 USA

217-333-7954 (Voice)

217-244-1478 (Fax)

(personal comments only)

 

From: ufpj-activist-bounces+fboyle=law.illinois.edu at lists.mayfirst.org
[mailto:ufpj-activist-bounces+fboyle <mailto:ufpj-activist-bounces%2Bfboyle>
=law.illinois.edu at lists.mayfirst.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Leys
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:40 AM
To: ufpj-activist
Subject: Re: [ufpj-activist] Fw: More from Gilbert Achcar (Libya debate)

 

I agree with focusing on ending U.S. / NATO military action in LIbya before
there is a ground invasion.

Jeff Leys

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Boyle, Francis <FBOYLE at law.illinois.edu>
wrote:

Why don't we focus on how to stop this war before there is a ground
invasion?

 

Fab.

 

Francis A. Boyle

Law Building

504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.

Champaign, IL 61820 USA

217-333-7954 (Voice)

217-244-1478 (Fax)

(personal comments only)

 

From: ufpj-activist-bounces+fboyle=law.illinois.edu at lists.mayfirst.org
[mailto:ufpj-activist-bounces+fboyle <mailto:ufpj-activist-bounces%2Bfboyle>
=law.illinois.edu at lists.mayfirst.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Leys
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 11:31 AM
To: ufpj-activist


Subject: Re: [ufpj-activist] Fw: More from Gilbert Achcar (Libya debate)

 

Hmmm....ZMAG / ZNET is now a warmongering publication? Is ideological purity
now a test to engage in social justice work? And whose ideological purity?

I believe that it is essential that debate and discussion continues
regarding U.S. / NATO military actions in Libya even while engaging in
action to limit and challenge these military actions. Developing a solid
critique of U.S. / NATO military engagement that is unique to Libya is
important to challenging U.S. engagement, rather than merely applying a
cookie cutter / boiler plate that fails to address unique conditions.

Regrettably, it would seem that an endeavor to develop such a critique and
to grapple with unique circumstances in Libya means that one is a war
monger. Oh well.....so it goes.

Jeff Leys

On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Boyle, Francis <FBOYLE at law.illinois.edu>
wrote:

If Barry's Bombing Campaign does not work, a ground invasion is in the
works. Right now there are 4000+  Marines off the coast of Libya waiting to
invade. We need to stop this war NOW before that happens. No point wasting
our time debating with warmongers and dealing with warmongering garbage and
reading  warmongering publications such as ZMAG/ZNET.

 

Fab

 

 

Francis A. Boyle

Law Building

504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.

Champaign, IL 61820 USA

217-333-7954 (Voice)

217-244-1478 (Fax)

(personal comments only)

 

From: Boyle, Francis 
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:12 AM
To: 'Steve Burns'
Cc: Ellie Ommani; ufpj-activist
Subject: RE: [ufpj-activist] Fw: More from Gilbert Achcar (Libya debate)

 

I already sent about 10 posts to this list setting forth my professional
opinions, including a debate I had live on Al Jazeera  which is pro-war. You
can access them if you want. And I will continue to send such posts to this
list as I produce them. But I am not going to waste my time arguing with
warmongering garbage on a list devoted to peace and justice.

 

Hey! Hey! LBJ!

How many Africans?

Did Barry Bomb today?

 

Fab

 

 

Francis A. Boyle

Law Building

504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.

Champaign, IL 61820 USA

217-333-7954 (Voice)

217-244-1478 (Fax)

(personal comments only)

 

From: steveburnswnpj at gmail.com [mailto:steveburnswnpj at gmail.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Burns


Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:52 AM
To: Boyle, Francis

Cc: Ellie Ommani; ufpj-activist


Subject: Re: [ufpj-activist] Fw: More from Gilbert Achcar (Libya debate)

 

Frankly, I've had it with the incessant name-calling by two participants in
this discussion, Ellie Ommani and Francis Boyle. Here's what we've gotten
from them, in just the last three emails they've sent: "warmonger",
"childish", "intellectually empty", "bourgeois", "garbage."



This isn't an honest effort to have a debate, it's an effort to shut down
debate by attempting to persuade us that certain views are so heretical that
they don't need to be addressed seriously. 

And name-calling isn't helping the anti-interventionist side. If you take
this issue seriously, and I know that you do, then please give us a serious
response to Mr. Accar's arguments, rather than insinuations that he's an
infiltrator working for the Pentagon.

In solidarity,
Steve Burns 
Wisconsin Network for Peace and  <http://wnpj.org> Justice


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