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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ditto, Brenda & Robert</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We shall see who “wins” and
what the real (su)prize is …in time. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> discuss-bounces@paa-tx.org
[mailto:discuss-bounces@paa-tx.org] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf
Of </span></b>Brenda<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, October 15, 2006
6:18 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> PAA Discussion List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [PAA-Discuss]
Confused again I am</span></font></p>
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Robert, </span></font></b></strong></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><strong><b><font size=2 color=navy
face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy'>I
agree with your comments totally! And, I am sick and tired of being a puppet
for the current 2 party system. We are just a bunch of pawns being used by the
wealthy that own this country! And, as long as they keep us believing that we
can actually change things they keep us compliant </span></font></b></strong></p>
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face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy'>The
democrats will likely win many big races this fall and that will serve to keep
them thinking that there is hope when, in my opinion there is no hope in
stopping this total fascist take over of the US. Both the Republican and
the Democratic parties are primarily comprised of fascists, save a few
exceptions. :(</span></font></b></strong></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:rgg-629@sbcglobal.net" title="rgg-629@sbcglobal.net">robert</a> </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:ChasMauch@aol.com" title="ChasMauch@aol.com">ChasMauch@aol.com</a>
; <a href="mailto:PaulandCarole@msn.com" title="PaulandCarole@msn.com">PaulandCarole@msn.com</a>
; <a href="mailto:discuss@paa-tx.org" title="discuss@paa-tx.org">discuss@paa-tx.org</a>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
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October 15, 2006 3:00 AM</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
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[PAA-Discuss] Confused again I am</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Of course no question
about the cowardice and immorality of the Democratic Party's leaders. All what
I am saying, when you hold United States leaders (from both parties) against
high standards you are implicitly praising them when they don't deserve.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This country (USA) had
been established on immortals and abuse and torture of the human race.. I can't
think of a moral reference point in the American history that any contemporary
leader can be benched-marked against. They can only sink more.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>In this context, I don't
see what Clinton's remarks on the torture are outrageous. And whether the
Democratic Party will come back to power or not has nothing to do with all this
media circus. It is all going according to a master plan. In other words the
Democratic Party lost the two last elections by elections fraud and by the
complicity of its leaders not because of the failure of their strategies and
policies. And they are going to be brought back to power when it is the right
time, regardless of how well or bad they do. We just entertain ourselves by
making sense of nonsense.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
discuss-bounces@paa-tx.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@paa-tx.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>ChasMauch@aol.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, October 14, 2006
11:41 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> PaulandCarole@msn.com;
discuss@paa-tx.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [PAA-Discuss]
Confused again I am</span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>In a
message dated 10/13/06 4:04:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
PaulandCarole@msn.com writes:</span></font></p>
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face=Verdana><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'>After
reading the link below I ask why there is such an effort to impeach Bush or
vote democrats into office when the time might be better spent to displace the
Democratic party leadership and so called liberals in think tanks.</span></font></p>
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href="http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rw/3584"
title="http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rw/3584">http://rightweb.irc-online.org/rw/3584</a></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>It
makes sense to do what we can to improve and reform the parties and the entire
political system, but I have long believed that the system was
deliberately set up to be run by the wealthy (an oligarchy) right from the
start, it has worked that way all along, and changing it is exceedingly
difficult. There are many good discussions of the situation, and one of the
best is by Chomsky in "Necessary Illusions." I have copied four
small items (from among the many good ones) in his detailed discussion,
which can be read in its entiriety at the link shown below. Here are the four:</span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>1.
John Jay, president of the Continental Congress and first chief justice of the
U.S. Supreme Court, said in what his biographer calls one of his favorite
maxims: "The people who own the country ought to govern it." Jay's
maxim is, in fact, the principle on which the Republic was founded and
maintained, and in its very nature capitalist democracy cannot stray far from
this pattern for reasons that are readily perceived. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>2.
Elsewhere, Gouverneur Morris observes that in the post-revolutionary society,
"what one had in effect was a political democracy manipulated by an
elite," and in states where "egalitarian democracy" might appear
to have prevailed (as in Virginia), in reality "dominance of the
aristocracy was implicitly accepted." The same is true of the dominance of
the rising business classes in later periods that are held to reflect the
triumph of popular democracy.<a name=TXT35></a><a
href="http://www.zmag.org/Chomsky/ni/ni-c01-s05.html#FN35"><sup>35</sup></a> </span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>3.
At another point on the spectrum, the conservative contempt for democracy is
succinctly articulated by Sir Lewis Namier, who writes that "there is no
free will in the thinking and actions of the masses, any more than in the
revolutions of planets, in the migrations of birds, and in the plunging of
hordes of lemmings into the sea."<a name=TXT42></a><a
href="http://www.zmag.org/Chomsky/ni/ni-c01-s06.html#FN42"><sup>42</sup></a>
Only disaster would ensue if the masses were permitted to enter the arena of
decision-making in a meaningful way. </span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>4.
At its root, the logic is that of the Grand Inquisitor, who bitterly assailed
Christ for offering people freedom and thus condemning them to misery. The
Church must correct the evil work of Christ by offering the miserable mass of
humanity the gift they most desire and need: absolute submission. It must
"vanquish freedom" so as "to make men happy" and provide
the total "community of worship" that they avidly seek. In the modern
secular age, this means worship of the state religion, which in the Western
democracies incorporates the doctrine of submission to the masters of the
system of public subsidy, private profit, called free enterprise. The people
must be kept in ignorance, reduced to jingoist incantations, for their own
good.</span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>For
discussion of these items and much more in greater depth and
detail, check this link:</span></font></p>
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href="http://www.zmag.org/Chomsky/ni/ni-c01-s05.html">http://www.zmag.org/Chomsky/ni/ni-c01-s05.html</a>
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