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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=718121019-13112007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Kris, some of the do care. There are those who say that if
we have many many people voting it makes it hard to cheat on an
election -- I read this from someone who was using statistical analysis or
something to make this point. And I don't see that voting can hurt. All of the
Congress members are not good on all of the issues, but some of them are good on
some of them. We have to support those who are working for the things we
consider important. It is, however, so hard to keep up on which bills are being
considered and when significant votes are coming up! Also, we vote on more than
the national crew; local voting is important and sometimes easier to understand
and therefore to identify those who will support our views. And those who need a
bit of prodding in the right direction! Lee Loe</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Ron and Kris Graham
[mailto:graham2639@mindspring.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 13, 2007
9:45 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Jessica Wilson'; ChasMauch@aol.com<BR><B>Cc:</B>
kenfree@swbell.net; leeloe@igc.org; paa@crosierbiomed.com; discuss@paa-tx.org;
Miklhut@aol.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [PAA-Discuss] Mikal's Thoughts on Ron
Paul, standing up for our beliefs<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Well,
we can all go out and vote in the next election, Jessica, and PRETEND that our
votes really count just like they counted in 2000 and 2004. We still have the
Hart InterCivic electronic voting machines. We still have NO paper ballots and
no way of knowing whether or not the votes we put into the machine are the votes
that come out of that machine. We can still go on out to the voting location and
turn the little wheel and pretend we have a real democracy in the
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">United
States</st1:place></st1:country-region>. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">I
am extraordinarily torn as to whether to even go out and vote at all. We don’t
have democracy in this country. We’ve never had democracy in this country. We
don’t have a representative republic in this country. We’ve never had a
representative republic in this country. Why continue to play the game, Jessica?
We are perpetuating the sham that’s been going on in the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">United States</st1:place></st1:country-region>
for years. The average citizen doesn’t choose the president and their
representatives. GLOBAL CORPORATE chooses the candidates. Remember all the voter
intimidation and alienation? Remember all the voter roll purging? Remember the
phone calls to poor black voters threatening them with arrest if they showed up
to vote if they hadn’t paid fines, tickets etc? Remember the old faulty voting
machines in poor districts? Remember the lack of working voting machines in
those same districts? Remember the vote switching on the e-voting machines in
several states? What makes you think the 2008 election will be any different
from elections past?? Why continue participating in this fraudulent system? Why
continue pretending that our “representatives” care what we have to say? THEY
DON’T.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Kris<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Jessica
Wilson [mailto:jlwilson684@gmail.com] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, November 12, 2007 11:05
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
ChasMauch@aol.com<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B>
graham2639@mindspring.com; kenfree@swbell.net; leeloe@igc.org;
paa@crosierbiomed.com; discuss@paa-tx.org; Miklhut@aol.com<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [PAA-Discuss] Mikal's Thoughts
on Ron Paul, standing up for our beliefs</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I say we take it like the Irish, buy a few
round of beers and demand direct democracy (Recalls and Referendums) it matters
not who's in the presidential seat, it matters if we have a say and if what
we're saying is taken for anything more than a grain of salt. I don't
really know how you all have lived through this for the number of years that you
have, I had just turned 18 in the last presidential election so I claim no
responsibility for this mess we're in. I've made it clear to my parents
that they are as complicit in this crap as the rest of the Bush
administration. I sure am not going to live my life quietly. Man
really - REALLY - how did you do it? Are we just a nation of drug
addicts? Just take a few more of those pills while they tell ya whats good
for you - nonnono Culberson isn't responsible for the I-10 expansion he just got
13,000$ from Giuliani's law firm because they play golf together - Please.
Start bitching, frequently. <BR><BR>Bush OUT<BR>Cornyn OUT<BR>Abbott
OUT<BR>Michael Berry OUT<BR>Culberson OUT<BR><BR>If you have a name that you
want to add to the list go for it, the next elections for Congress, Senate and
State rep/Governor is where the attention needs to be placed. We're not
playing dumb. Roll over Fido! <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Nov 12, 2007 10:14 PM, <<A
href="mailto:ChasMauch@aol.com">ChasMauch@aol.com</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">At the risk of
alienating just about everyone on this list, I must point out the cold fact
that neither Dennis nor Paul will be the nominee of their party, so we
might as well think about what we will do when the dust settles. Hold our
nose and vote Dem? Vote Green if they get ballot access - a very difficult
project? Not vote at all? Or do a write in? Those who want to do a protest
by not voting at all might think about a write-in
campaign.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm sure everyone
knows you can't just write in Mickey Mouse or whatever as you once
could. A candidate must be officially certified in advance as a
write-in. That requires a lot of signatures and/or payment of a rather
large entry fee for most offices, but is surprisingly easy for president,
and does not cost anything. All that is required is to file a form for the
president and his/her running mate and 32 electors. Their names will not be
on the ballot, but will appear on a list of write-ins that
the election judges are supposed to post on the wall of every election
booth. No party affiliation can be shown. Of course some (most?)
judges "forget" to post the lists, and most voters don't notice the list even if
it is there, and don't know what it's for. Then the voter has to spell out the
candidate's name using the wheel on the electronic election machine,
which most do not know how to do. It's a pretty obscure and tedious process but
might be a better form of protest than just not
voting.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I gathered the names
of 32 electors and handled the filing for David Cobb and Pat
LaMarche when they ran in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Texas</st1:place></st1:State> as write-ins for president and vice
president in 2004 when the Greens failed to get ballot access. Unfortunately
they did not get many votes - 1,014 out of 7,410,765 cast in <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Texas</st1:place></st1:State> (.01%). Nader and
Peter Camejo (his VP) were also write-ins in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Texas</st1:place></st1:State> and got 9,159 votes (.12%). For all
the returns for president in the 2004 election in <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Texas</st1:place></st1:State>, check the
Secretary of State's race summary report at this link:
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="http://elections.sos.state.tx.us/elchist.exe"
target=_blank>http://elections.sos.state.tx.us/elchist.exe</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The write-in thing is
pretty much an exercise in futility but might be better than just sitting it
out. Then again, maybe not. Best would be to hope (or maybe help) the Greens get
ballot access and hope they come up with a good candidate, but there is always
the spoiler effect that can be disastrous if they get on the ballot in too many
states and get too many votes - but let's not get into that.
Just thought I would mention this.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Charlie
M <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In a message dated
11/12/2007 5:49:13 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, <A
href="mailto:graham2639@mindspring.com"
target=_blank>graham2639@mindspring.com</A>
writes:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I will either
boycott the election if Dennis Kucinich is not the Democrat<BR>nominee or I'll
write his name in, Ken. I don't plan on voting for ANYONE I<BR>don't believe
in.<BR><BR>Kris<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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