<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3><STRONG>Dear Zappa2004,</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><STRONG><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>I don't mind posts that offer viewpoints of <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_0 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> (or of any other </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>candidate). I happen to believe that civil discourse and honest discussion about issues and candidates is a great thing. And, I also happen to disagree with <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_1 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> on some issues. Nonetheless, I find it ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE AND INEXCUSABLE for you to
intentionally resort to fabrication, lies, distortion, and misinformation to further your opinions. This really upsets me. It is appalling to me that you (and others, including Progressive Punch) would deliberately twist the truth and mislead others about <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_2 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN>'s positions on the war in Iraq .</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>Before you (and others on this list) resort to hot-hotheadedness and begin attacking me,</FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>Let’s put the following into perspective:</FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>You say that "<EM>Each of the 11 Democrats who are running for President has a far better record on the issue than <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_3 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> does, even Shillary Clinton</EM>." <SPAN> </SPAN>C’mon. Do you think we’re that stupid? You’re going to have to try harder than THAT if you want to deceive us about <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_4 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN>’s record.</FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3><STRONG>How can <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_5 style="CURSOR: hand;
BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Joe Biden</SPAN>, of all people, </STRONG></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3><STRONG>score any higher than <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_6 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> in terms of opposition to the war? This is preposterous! <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_7 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Joe Biden</SPAN> voted IN FAVOR OF AUTHORIZING THE INVASION AND OCCUPATION OF IRAQ! <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_8 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> voted AGAINST the war.</STRONG> <STRONG><SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_9 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Joe Biden</SPAN> has consistently</STRONG> (and continues to do so) <STRONG>voted IN FAVOR OF FUNDING THE WAR. <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_10 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron
Paul</SPAN> has consistently</STRONG> (and continues to do so) <STRONG>voted AGAINST funding the war and has voted AGAINST the supplemental appropriations bills that keep the war going.</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>How can <U><SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_11 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Hillary Clinton</SPAN></U> score any higher than <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_12 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> in terms of opposition to the war? This is preposterous! <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_13 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Hillary Clinton</SPAN> voted IN FAVOR OF AUTHORIZING THE INVASION AND OCCUPATION OF IRAQ! <STRONG><SPAN class=yshortcuts
id=lw_1195007619_14 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> voted AGAINST the war. <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_15 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Hillary Clinton</SPAN> has consistently (up until recently, for egotistical reasons) voted IN FAVOR OF FUNDING THE WAR. <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_16 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> has consistently (and continues to do so) voted AGAINST funding the war and has voted AGAINST the supplemental appropriations bills that keep the war going.</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>How can <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_17 style="BACKGROUND: none transparent scroll repeat 0% 0%; CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM:
#0066cc 1px dashed">Christopher Dodd</SPAN> score higher than <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_18 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> in terms of opposition to the war? This is preposterous! <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_19 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Chris Dodd</SPAN> voted IN FAVOR OF AUTHORIZING THE INVASION AND OCCUPATION OF IRAQ! <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_20 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> voted AGAINST the war. <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_21 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Chris Dodd</SPAN> has consistently (up until recently, for egotistical reasons) voted IN FAVOR OF FUNDING THE WAR. <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_22 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> has consistently (and continues to do so) voted AGAINST funding the war and has voted AGAINST the
supplemental appropriations bills that keep the war going.</FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>In addition, are you forgetting about the possible martial confrontation with Iran ? ALL OF THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES (except Kucinich, of course) that you claim have a “far better record” on issues of war/peace than <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_23 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> refuse to stand in strong opposition to bombing Iran. ALL OF THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES you claim have a “far better record” on issues of war/peace than <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_24 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> refuse to reject the option of aggressive war against Iran . <STRONG>Meanwhile, unlike the
Democratic candidates that you claim are better than <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_25 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> on foreign policy, <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_26 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> is STRONGLY OPPOSED to a confrontation with Iran and he rejects all moves toward war with Iran .</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3><STRONG>I’m sorry, Zappa2004, but your post on <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_27 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> is deeply incoherent, inconsistent, illogical, and, frankly, quite absurd. Oh, and on the site that you included a link to in your post</STRONG> (progressive punch)<STRONG>,</STRONG>
<STRONG>corporate-favoring, Republican-Lite, shady Democrats like <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_28 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Jane Harman</SPAN>, <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_29 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Nick Lampson</SPAN>, <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_30 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Rahm Emanuel</SPAN>, <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_31 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Nancy Pelosi</SPAN>, and <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_32 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Henry Waxman</SPAN> all score HIGHER than both <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_33 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Dennis Kucinich</SPAN> and <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_34 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN>, who are both anti-war stalwarts. Even self-labeled
conservative Democrats like Tim Mahoney of <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_35 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Florida</SPAN> and <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_36 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Henry Cuellar</SPAN></STRONG> (who was appointed TX secretary of state back when Dubya was governor) <STRONG>score HIGHER than <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_37 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Dennis Kucinich</SPAN>!!!!<SPAN> </SPAN>This is insane! These rankings are completely FUCKED UP! This site and its rankings are A PIECE OF SHIT! How are we supposed to trust a site with problematic, fraudulent information of this sort!</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3><STRONG>In
addition, through the website you include and the information you cite, you claim that the “supplemental appropriations bill for the ongoing war in Iraq ” is a progressive piece of legislation and that <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_38 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> is wrong in voting against this. How is this so? Since when was funding the war “progressive?” BOTH <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_39 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> AND <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_40 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Dennis Kucinich</SPAN> voted against this bill. So, are they wrong in doing so? Is Dennis K not progressive for also rejecting this legislation?</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>Finally, <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_41 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> chose not to vote for H.R. 2956 because it called for a gradual pullout of U.S. troops in order to have them home by April 2008. This is NOT what I want, nor is it what I think most people on this list support. I WANT ALL OF OUR TROOPS OUT OF IRAQ IMMEDIATELY. I WANT THE U.S. TO START BRINGING THEM HOME NOW! <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_42 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> shares this view, and THAT is why he didn’t vote in favor of this bill. He supports the immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_43 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Iraq</SPAN> and demands that they be brought home NOW. That’s why he didn’t support H.R. 2956. Might I mention that <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_44
style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Dennis Kucinich</SPAN> also did NOT favor this bill for the same reasons that <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_45 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> didn’t.</FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3><STRONG>So, you see, <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_46 style="BACKGROUND: none transparent scroll repeat 0% 0%; CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> is wholeheartedly against the war. Like Kucinich, he has been against it since the beginning. And, best of all, <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_47 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> refuses to play games with the lives of our troops and supports the IMMEDIATE
WITHDRAWAL OF ALL MILITARY FORCES FROM <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_48 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">IRAQ</SPAN> AND AFGHANISTAN.</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>Zappa2004, you cannot distort the facts. I am sick and tired of people trying to tear down <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_49 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN>’s record on the war with misinformation and fabrication. It’s disgraceful and it doesn’t work. Let's have a real, honest discussion about the issues and the records of candidates. Let's NOT deceive people by twisting facts to favor our opinions. Let's not develop incorrect perceptions abundant and become victims of the lack of knowledge.</FONT></DIV> <DIV
class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>Sincerely,</FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3>Ivan Espinosa</FONT></DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000 size=3><SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_50 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">832-231-2002</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV><BR><A href="http://us.f397.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=zappa2004@earthlink.net" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:zappa2004@earthlink.net"><EM><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_51>zappa2004@earthlink.net</SPAN></FONT></EM></A><EM><FONT color=#0000ff><U> wrote:</U></FONT></EM></DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px;
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <STYLE>#yiv1420895969 {MARGIN-TOP:25px;FONT-SIZE:10pt;MARGIN-LEFT:25px;COLOR:#000000;FONT-FAMILY:Arial, Helvetica;}#yiv1420895969 P.msoNormal {MARGIN-TOP:0px;FONT-SIZE:10pt;MARGIN-LEFT:0px;COLOR:#ffffcc;FONT-FAMILY:Helvetica, "Times New Roman";}#yiv1420895969 LI.msoNormal {MARGIN-TOP:0px;FONT-SIZE:10pt;MARGIN-LEFT:0px;COLOR:#ffffcc;FONT-FAMILY:Helvetica, "Times New Roman";}</STYLE> <META> <DIV><SPAN class=359571105-13112007><EM><FONT color=#0000ff>Please read the article and check out the links to voting record!</FONT></EM></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><EM><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=359571105-13112007></SPAN><SPAN class=359571105-13112007></SPAN></FONT></EM> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=359571105-13112007><EM><FONT color=#0000ff>Are we so focused on the war that we are willing to hear what we want to hear, ignore all else, and gloss over the bad parts of a candidate? As you dig into who <SPAN class=yshortcuts
id=lw_1195007619_52 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> is, you see that he actually has a very </FONT></EM><A href="http://www.progressivepunch.org/record.jsp?member=TX14&district=14&issue=W4" target=_blank rel=nofollow><EM><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_53>mixed voting record</SPAN></FONT></EM></A><EM><FONT color=#0000ff> on the war. What Paul said, in the context of his voting record, sounds great but it is not the same as actually being against the war, and it's not nitpicking to say so. His words contradict his voting record. That contradiction gets to the core of who this candidate is. Haven't we had enough deception and doublespeak?</FONT></EM></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=359571105-13112007><EM><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT></EM></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=359571105-13112007><EM><FONT color=#0000ff>Let's take a look at <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_54 style="CURSOR: hand;
BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Rep. Paul's</SPAN> <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_55 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Iraq</SPAN> vote record first. Yes. It's a fact that his voting record on <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_56 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Iraq</SPAN> is better than any of the Repugs he shared the stage with at their debate, but is that so hard? That, together with his words on the subject are a big part of what has excited many people of all political persuasions about him. If only they took the time to find out another few facts: 1) Each of the 11 Democrats who are running for President has a far better record on the issue than <SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_57 style="CURSOR: hand; BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">Ron Paul</SPAN> does, even Shillary Clinton, who I also don't plan on voting for. 2) He has voted WITH BUSH/CHENEY on the matter close to 20 TIMES! 3) In
addition, he has voted neither yes or no but "present" (or absented himself numerous other times). It's real easy to say you voted against the war when you don't have to get specific about what the specific bills were actually about. It's also real easy to say you voted against a war bill when you don't mention that you also voted for so many others, or even fail to mention that you cowardly decided not to even show up, just so you can say you didn't vote for something. Talk about your cynical, disingenuous politicians! Not only that, but Paul believers claim to love him for being a man who stands on principle. Too bad he's so damn selective and part time about it.<BR></FONT></EM></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=359571105-13112007><EM><FONT color=#0000ff>and more article with link to voting record: </FONT></EM></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=359571105-13112007><EM><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT></EM></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=359571105-13112007><A
href="http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2007/08/about-ron-paul-enemy-of-my-enemy-is-not.html" target=_blank rel=nofollow><EM><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=yshortcuts id=lw_1195007619_58 style="BACKGROUND: none transparent scroll repeat 0% 0%">http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2007/08/about-ron-paul-enemy-of-my-enemy-is-not.html</SPAN></FONT></EM></A></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><p>
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