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<P>From Dennis Kucinich: Laying a New Ground Work<BR>for International
Peace</P>
<P>Today is the <B>International Day of Peace</B>. Please read this
important interview with Dennis Kucinich on how we can create a more
peaceful world.
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<B>Exclusive: Interview With Rep. Dennis Kucinich
<P></P></B><BR><BR>Monday 20 September 2010 by: Maya
Schenwar<BR>Executive Director, t r u t h o u t | Interview<BR><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-WEIGHT: bold">(used by permission)</SPAN>
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Dennis Kucinich. (Photo: abstract plain; Edited: Jared Rodriguez /
t r u t h o u t)</SPAN></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><I>Almost nine years
into longest war in US history, at a time when the US spends more on its
military budget than the rest of the world combined and endless war
seems a frighteningly realistic possibility, I spoke with Rep. Dennis
Kucinich (D-Ohio), a long-time advocate for peace. Kucinich reminds us
that there is another way: that through unity, persistence and a deeply
necessary change in mindset, we can move toward a world in which mutual
respect and global connections shape foreign policy, and the
self-fulfilling prophecy of war loses its tragic momentum. He challenges
us to imagine a world in which "peace is inevitable."
</I><BR><BR><B>Maya Schenwar: Since the end of formal combat operations
in Iraq, you've been speaking out against the continuing presence of US
troops and increasing presence of American mercenaries there. How do you
respond to those who say the continued presence is necessary for
security reasons? </B><BR><BR><B>Dennis Kucinich:</B> America's invasion
of Iraq has made us less secure. Before the entire world we invaded a
country that did not attack us - that had no intention or capability of
attacking us - and that, famously, did not have weapons of mass
destruction. The subsequent occupation has fueled an insurgency, and as
long as we have troops there, the insurgency will remain quite alive.
<BR><BR>The very idea that somehow the war is in a new phase needs to be
challenged. Insurgents don't differentiate between combat troops and
noncombat troops; any of our troops who are out there are subject to
attack. And the insurgencies will continue to build, with the continued
American presence, resulting in the death of more innocent civilians.
<BR><BR>Every mythology about our presence in Iraq is being stripped
away. The idea that we can afford it? We can't. That Iraq will pay for
it? It shouldn't and couldn't. That somehow we'd be welcomed there? By
whom? That there's some kind of security to be gained in the region? We
have destabilized the region. That it would help us gain support from
moderates in the Muslim world? We are undermined throughout the Muslim
world. Every single assertion of this war, and every reason for this
war, has been knocked down. And yet it keeps going. <BR><BR><B>MS: Then,
is a complete, immediate withdrawal in order - right now?
</B><BR><BR><B>DK:</B> That's what we have to do. We should have done it
a long time ago. Is it likely that there will be conflict when we leave?
Yes. We set in motion forces that are irrevocable. You cannot simply
launch a war against a country where there were already factions -
Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds who were at odds with each other - and think
that you can leave there without difficulties. That's going to happen no
matter what. <BR><BR>But the fact that the conflict that we helped to
create is still quite alive does not justify staying there. War becomes
a self-fulfilling prophecy of continued war, unless you break the
headlong momentum by getting out. <BR><BR><B>MS: Do you view Afghanistan
similarly? Should we be looking at a quick, complete withdrawal?
</B><BR><BR><B>DK:</B> Well, Afghanistan is a separate war; it needs to
be separated. I believe we were right to strike at al Qaeda immediately
after 9/11. And I think most Americans believed that was the right thing
to do. But - it was wrong to invade and occupy the country. It showed an
acute lack of understanding of history, and a lack of understanding of
the people of Afghanistan. <BR><BR>At this point, Afghanistan has a
kleptocracy. There's no remote possibility that it could sustain
anything like a democratic system right now. And we have assured that by
using US tax dollars to help prop up a bunch of crooks. When you think
of the grotesque scene of Hamid Karzai being given the singular honor of
a presence on the floor of United States Senate, and then you learn that
some of the very people who are involved in corruption in Afghanistan
were working with him on the CIA payroll, you know that what we've seen
is a turn, not towards a realpolitik approach, but toward depravity
masquerading as diplomacy. <BR><BR>We have lost our way through our
misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan, and we have to come home. Not
only do we have to come home from Iraq and Afghanistan, but we also have
to take a different look at America's presence in the rest of the world.
Unless we start to focus on a global position for the United States that
is not hegemonic, but is cooperative with international institutions,
we're looking at nothing but one nightmare after another. <BR><BR><B>MS:
So, what do you think that new role in the world would look like for the
United States? What would our position be if we made that shift?
</B><BR><BR><B>DK:</B> We would start supporting structures of
international law. With friend and foe alike, we'd support compliance
with the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. With friend and foe alike,
we'd support compliance with the Biological Weapons Convention and the
Chemical Weapons Convention. And we'd submit to the fullness of those
treaties. We'd support the small arms treaty, the landmine treaty. We'd
support the United Nations. We would participate fully in an
international criminal court. <BR><BR>Only when you have recognized
global standards of justice can there truly be respect among nations. We
cannot have one set of laws for the United States and another set of
laws for the rest of the world. For example, our policy on claiming the
right to pursue assassination anywhere we please: that is against
everything America should stand for. And we haven't worked to craft a
climate change agreement that is truly mindful of the environmental
challenges we see - an agreement that would phase out coal and nuclear.
The US is missing a historic opportunity to chart a new path in the
world. <BR><BR>Let it be said, we have a right to defend ourselves. But
we do not have a right to take international law in our own hands. We do
not have a right to be police, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner
all in one fell swoop. <BR><BR><B>MS: What can the American people - and
Truthout's readers - do right now if they want to effect change on the
issues we're discussing?</B><BR><BR><B>DK:</B> Support the candidates
that support the change you want. We have an election coming up, and
those candidates who really are dedicated to America taking a new role
in the world and taking care of things here at home deserve support.
<BR><BR>And we need to ask candidates where they stand on these issues.
If they voted to continue the war, will they go back to Congress and
continue to support the war? People need to know that. Will they
continue to vote for these appropriation funds? Will they continue to
vote for resolutions that keep us at war? Will they continue to support
the fiction that the "global war on terror" has trumped Article I,
Section 8 of the Constitution, with respect to Congress's role of
declaring war in any country where the US has a military presence?
<BR><BR>We all have to start thinking of national defense in a broader
way. National defense should also mean a full-employment economy.
National defense should mean jobs for all, health care for all,
education for all, retirement security for all. We spend more on the
military than every other nation in the world put together.
<BR><BR>There's another thing we need to do in this discussion: we need
to look at how we think of the world. If we see the world only as Us
versus Them, as divided into warring camps, then our worldview produces
an outcome which creates war. If we see the world only in terms of these
dichotomies, that's a precursor of war. If we see a world where war is
inevitable, that inevitability becomes a reality - we make it so.
<BR><BR>But war is not inevitable. Peace is inevitable, if we are
willing to explore the inherent truth of human unity - if we are willing
to contemplate the undeniable fact that we're all one, that we are
interdependent and interconnected. This compelling truth of human unity
needs to be called upon at a time of division. It needs to be insisted
upon. It needs to resound with the historical precedent of America's
first motto, "e pluribus unum": out of many, we are one. <BR><BR>And so,
I'm dedicated to continuing to work for an international policy where we
work with the world community, where we use structures of international
law and adhere to and participate in them, where we begin to understand
that our role in the world cannot be as policeman of the world, and
where we work with the nations of the world to achieve security for all
people. <BR><BR><B>MS: What would funding for nonviolence look
like?</B><BR><BR><B>DK:</B> We need to support a cabinet-level
department of peace, which would serve to make nonviolence an organizing
principle of our society. The department would address issues of
violence in our own society as well as head off war, through having
somebody in the cabinet who could advise the president on nonviolent
conflict resolution. <BR><BR>Funding would be pegged to 1 percent of the
Department of Defense's budget. One percent! And that would be about $7
billion a year. <BR><BR>Why wouldn't we want to explore peaceful means
of conflict resolution? We've explored war and war doesn't work. This is
a different world. It's not World War II anymore. There's a whole
different technological structure to society. We can pick up a cell
phone and call anyone, anywhere in the world; we can get on a plane and
go anywhere in the world in half a day; we can send a text message
anywhere in the world in seconds; we're already experiencing the world
as one! Why aren't our social structures keeping pace? Why don't we
demand that we come into rhythm with what is really an impulse toward
unity? <BR><BR>Peace, which is achieved only through painstaking effort,
doesn't have to cost a lot of money. We know what war costs. <BR><BR>And
it's not simply a matter of politicians doing it. Each one of us has to
reflect on the way we look at the world and think about whether there's
anything we do that contributes to violence, if there's anything we do
that contributes to polarity. We really have to look at how the way we
think is producing the particular kind of world we have. We could have
the world any way we want it. We need to carefully analyze our own
worldview to see if it's compatible with our survival. <BR><BR>
<P><A title=http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=9uu6zlcab&et=1103704714650&s=66277&e=001BJw6Elu1C9Rg45sM0H0x7sJdjpqGhRtM-SOiOWZy28T02ginJHNdKb1TRz0MA8dAwX1ZKSGknwDKEmfeyMbS3pHW9i4mlEzPjla3B2XQSjvk42s0ciDA_HOWJKV-HaPgJ6pVIrBbCiIADRXHGUWxyNDOh5qjecqAVRO2ozj1vK9TgZbeLIMwVg== href="http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=9uu6zlcab&et=1103704714650&s=66277&e=001BJw6Elu1C9Rg45sM0H0x7sJdjpqGhRtM-SOiOWZy28T02ginJHNdKb1TRz0MA8dAwX1ZKSGknwDKEmfeyMbS3pHW9i4mlEzPjla3B2XQSjvk42s0ciDA_HOWJKV-HaPgJ6pVIrBbCiIADRXHGUWxyNDOh5qjecqAVRO2ozj1vK9TgZbeLIMwVg==" target=_blank>Entire article is available at
truth-out.org</A><BR><BR>Thank you, <BR>The Re-Elect Congressman
Kucinich Committee</P>
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