<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Sorry everyone for allowing myself to go out of my way for the first
time and at your presence to go over what i think of Kris behavior in
the back of my mind.............<br>
<br>
You heard me all Kris and no need to go over your <span>psycho</span>-<span>narcissistic</span>
account of what i have said when my terms are going to be judged for
themselves and on the top of it you know that i no longer even care
about what you say abut politics,but i have to make three points to only
clarify my moral position to you to help you help your miserable angry
white trash mentality to rest and change...........<br>
<br>
first,i will never become an American when my heart and mind
does not belong to this country or any other countries,but the world as
a whole,no matter if i live here for million years.........especially
when i fully see the effect of its corrupt culture that wrongfully
produces the white trashes as you who always stand on the wrong side of
history..........i thought you were over with blaming blacks for all the
problems that this country has or wanted your government to monitor the
borders to prevent <span>Mexican immigrants </span>entering your land ............and now you are resenting me for living here and not considering myself an American?<br><br>Let
me wholeheartedly tell you this...........that your country will always
stand as the last resort to identify myself with,for producing the most
unreasonable,selfish,and back-warded people of all time............as
you who make the face of politics in this country
embarrassing.............you have sat at your house for whole your
life,never worked and do not even know from close how people are dealing
with their
every day problems...........and this is your problem........having too
much time spent on your disgusting language rnd
accusations...........<span><sp></sp></span>second for the sake of truth and transparency do
not even waist one moment of my time to tell me what Robert think of
Iranians and our murderer regime.............for i had numerous talks
and discussions about this issue with him that there is no need to
retell them to you..........only Robert himself or others who heard it
must try to remember hem all..............<br><br>And third, one another problem with you,is that you forget who you are and where you are coming from,but concerning my na<span>rrow -mindedness and </span>being
a dogmatic communist.........in your surprise i am one of those people
<span><span>t</span>hat do</span> fully knows what she wants..........the first rule in political
activities is to be able to target the goal and that is true that when i
was always a communist,you were a white trash Republican,then a
Democrat,Green party,Socialist,Anarchist,spiritual,non spiritual,re<span>volutionary w</span>ith
gun,revolutionary without gun and let me think what else...........i
think that would be enough,but regardless of what i have always been,i
never preached non- claimed communists what they should be or take their
democratic rights away from them or accuse them of something that i can
not prove...........but i know that i have always been a sensitive
ethical-centered mentality and i<span> am proud</span> to live my life with dignity
and free of guilt.............i help everyone when i can and join other
activities beside my interests with no prejudice...........when the term
of our principles,not line.do allow me so........... i consciously
crticize/ed the wrong application o<span>f socialis</span>m in practice...........and i
never became immune to wrong doing or defending the indefensible.......... and those of you who know m<span>e well,do no</span>t throw their
conscious away to call me dogmatic or whatever rubbish you have
said............well i am done with you Kris.......you are welcome to
wine as always,and i will always be here to only voice out my
rejections on my own term and principles that i am concerned
about..........but you<span>.<span>..</span>......</span>....should try to be truthful to
yourself.......and beside knowing who the Wikileaks is,find
whooooooooooooooo, youuuuuuuuuuuu want to be.................<br>Zhaleh<br><br><font color="#8000ff"><font size="2"><span><span> class</span>="yiv1382734849yiv1888229259body"><font face="Verdana"><strong>The
<span>his</span>toric ascent of humanity, taken as a whole, may be summarized as a
succession of victories of consciousness over blind forces - in nature,
in society, in man himself.</strong></font></span> <br></font></font><br><br><p><font color="#8000ff"><font size="2"><span class="body"><font face="Verdana"><strong>The historic ascent of humanity, taken as a whole, may be summarized as a succession of victories of consciousness over blind forces - in nature, in society, in man himself.</strong></font></span> <br></font><br><strong><font style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="border-bottom: medium none; background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% transparent;" id="lw_1254934561_3" class="yshortcuts">Leon Trotsky</span></font></strong></font></p><br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 12/5/10, Ron and Kris Graham <i><graham2639@mindspring.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Ron and Kris Graham <graham2639@mindspring.com><br>Subject: RE: [PAA-Discuss] The propaganda against the Wiki leaks<br>To: "Zhaleh"
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<p class="yiv186644028MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" color="black" face="Comic Sans MS"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color: black; font-weight: bold;">I don’t know why I did not receive your e-mail, Zhaleh, as the
e-mail was addressed to me, but suffice it to say, I received your e-mail from
a friend and am replying to it. My comments in red are below your comments.</span></font></b></p>
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<p class="yiv186644028MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma;">
discuss-bounces@paa-tx.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@paa-tx.org] <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">On Behalf Of </span></b>Zhaleh<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, December 04, 2010
3:13 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> PAA<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [PAA-Discuss] The
propaganda against the Wiki leaks</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv186644028MsoNormal" style=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Kris, My time is
very limited, but I should go through some stuff with
you……..first,I as one participate in politics simply far
different from you<font color="red"><span style="color: red;"> what that means
and what difference it makes is beyond me, Zhaleh</span></font>............therefore
you are welcome to label yourself a coward, but not me<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">if you are paying taxes into this corrupt
and illegal system then you are complicit, Zhaleh just as we all are who pay
into the system and continue supporting it. This makes us all cowards
INCLUDING YOU.</span></font>……………..I delivered
my responsibility in every step of my life everywhere I resided, including
where I was born as much as possible<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">just as many people do, Zhaleh, so don’t
feel like the Lone Ranger</span></font>………may be you or
Robert had to come and go to the bloody jails in Iran instead of all of us<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">Why do you say that, Zhaleh? I am not
cheerleading for the Iranian government</span></font>……….
not to undermine or minimize what Iranians are going through since 70 years
ago that should wholeheartedly be condemned equally the same as the regime of
the united states, no less no more, equally the same, if we want to be fair
and principled<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">Once again, I reiterate, I am NOT cheerleading for the
Iranian government. I am saying that the Wikileaks are benefiting
Israel by showing certain Arab heads of state
are “concerned” about a nuclear
Iran . Evidently, the Arab PEOPLE
according to a recent poll conducted this past summer are much more concerned
about a nuclear ISRAEL
and a nuclear UNITED STATES. Did you not read the poll information, Zhaleh??</span></font>……….</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv186644028MsoNormal" style=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">My country is
diminishing by the lack of basic democracy and human rights and no less than
the American government is guilty of crimes against the whole humanity in
peri<font color="black"><span style="color: black;">l </span></font><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">Tell me something I don’t already
know</span></font>, and all of the class collaborationist,including the
Socialist Equality Party, the Workers World, the ISO,and the SWP which come
to my mind at this time<font color="red"><span style="color: red;"> I have come
to the conclusion that ANY political party EVEN your Fifth International is a
class collaborationist and useless as tits on a boar if one class of people
EVEN working people are heads of government. This is because ONLY the workers
considered MORE EDUCATED get to lead the government as if the people
themselves don’t have sense enough to figure out their own lives. Give
me a break, Zhaleh. </span></font>, if can not do anything good to the
Iranians, would be better to choose silence, for all my revolutionary
internationalist friends no further can consider you all the conscious
hearts or minds<font color="red"><span style="color: red;"> ONLY the Iranian
people can free themselves from their slavery just as only WE can free
ourselves from slavery, Zhaleh. Perhaps our conscious hearts and minds should
consider freeing ourselves before we jump on the bandwagon of trying to free
other enslaved people</span></font>……… your theses
have come out so unclean, negligent and complicit hand in hand with the
criminal Islamic regime of Iran so far<font color="red"><span style="color: red;"> I call BULLSHIT on that, Zhaleh. You just uttered an out and out LIE
and I am calling you on it</span></font>…….. for when it goes to
the human rights and killing people in many ways and all around the world,
then considering the less evil is a crime and accomplice itself<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">I have ALWAYS said there is no such thing
as lesser evil. Evil is evil if you want to wax biblical which is strange for
an atheist such as yourself. Where in the hell have you been?!</span></font>.<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">If you weren’t still so angry with me
for questioning things like the pros and cons of socialism, anarchism, and
communism perhaps you would’ve taken the time to read some of my posts
to the discussion list where I talked about the above.</span></font></span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv186644028MsoNormal" style=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I have no idea
from what window I should talk to you or Robert about the principles of
Marxism<font color="red"><span style="color: red;"> You don’t need to talk
to me about the principles of anything, Zhaleh. I am perfectly capable of
finding out that information for myself, so don’t trouble yourself</span></font>,
because you do not know anything about it at all, but in one paragraph, I
should say that the real and genuine Marxists have always had a two fold
propaganda and agitations against all criminal regimes, and
when……… it is the matter of the life or the death, then the
USA, Israel, Iran and all other capitalists are equally the same and murderer<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">No kidding. I’ve been saying that
recently.</span></font>. Blood is blood, rivered in
Israel ,
Iran , and anywhere
else………..<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">I am the one who told YOU, Zhaleh in my prior e-mail that
we all bleed the same red blood no matter where we live.</span></font></span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv186644028MsoNormal" style=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> The
Nuclear proliferations should come as clean as an international applied
perspective, therefore till then as a right for the Iranian people, I fully
support that for every economic and security measures that it could bring to
the Iranians<font color="red"><span style="color: red;"> I already said in a
prior e-mail that if Iran DID have a nuclear weapon then who cares? I listed
several countries that have them. One would expect
Iran to have one and try to
protect itself from insane regimes that wish to do it harm. If the PEOPLE of
Iran want
nuclear facilities for power in their country that is their right but ONLY if
ALL the people in the country want that. Majority rule is NOT democratic by
any stretch of the imagination. There are better ways to get power than
nuclear</span></font>…………no matter what regime is
ruling in Iran - but beside that there is absolutely nothing in Iran and here
to defend as a person of conscious<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="black"><span style="color: black;"> </span></font><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">I never tried to defend Iran, Zhaleh. Where are you getting
that? You must be hallucinating.</span></font> that we expect you to be and I
should tell you very frankly that I think the theses that you or Robert are
promoting here are very reactionary in essenc<font color="black"><span style="color: black;">e </span></font><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">WHY?!
Because we question the Wikileaks and what they are and who Julian Assange is
and what his angle is?! If those questions are reactionary then great!! I am
a proud reactionary! Perhaps you should question more instead of lapping up
the Wikileaks like a hungry dog</span></font> and for long I discontinued to
read them as many of us has done the same<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">Well, bully for you, Zhaleh, that is your
right if you want to discontinue reading my threads. It’s no skin off
my nose and believe me, I don’t lose one minute of sleep over that news</span></font>…………and
simply I should say that the Iranians do not need you and on the top of it,
do not need the American government to come and free Iranians for themselves.
<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">I
never said the Iranians needed me or anybody else to “free themselves”.
Only the people of a country can free themselves from slavery. Good grief!
Don’t you read a word I write? Oh yeah, you don’t. You said that.
You like to assume things about what I think. How can you do that, Zhaleh
since you are not me and definitely not inside my head? </span></font></span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv186644028MsoNormal" style=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Iranians
remember 1953 very clearly, on the other hand why the American government
should change the Iranian government, when they planted it there themselves
in the first place?<font color="black"><span style="color: black;"> </span></font><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">The
U.S. government “planted”
the Shah into power as you already know, Zhaleh. They probably want to oust
Ahmadinejad because they want a puppet that they can control, Zhaleh. That’s
pretty obvious.</span></font> <font color="red"><span style="color: red;">Of
course, it’s the mullahs that run
Iran , so ousting Ahmadinejad
wouldn’t do much unless the CIA/Mossad took out Ayatollah Khameini. </span></font>Who
can be more anti communist as much as the
USA and the Iranian regime and
Robert themselves?<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;"> Perhaps Robert doesn’t believe in STATE RUN
COMMUNISM, Zhaleh. There are other forms of communism like ANARCHO-COMMUNISM.</span></font>
Don’t you see that the Shah and the Islamic regime of
Iran both served American desires for
Iran
for years?<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">Of course I know that, dear.</span></font></span></font></p>
<p class="yiv186644028MsoNormal" style=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></p>
<p class="yiv186644028MsoNormal" style=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> There is a
methodology beneath everything we say and do…………you
can all embarrass yourselves by your stance against the Iranian people<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">We are not against the Iranian people,
Zhaleh. There you go again making FALSE ACCUSATIONS WHICH HAVE NO BASIS!</span></font>
or accusing the Wiki leaks of being an Israeli front<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">We are QUESTIONING Wikileaks because
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING has come out in them condemning Israel
and their murderous policies and their influence and spying within the
US government.
Try questioning things sometime, Zhaleh. It really helps clear the cobwebs
from one’s mind and helps one think clearly</span></font>, simply
because so far they could only accessed the materials concerning the USA
government not Israel, but hey…….. there are many things wrong
with the whole world also …Wiki did not find any links to five other
continents yet/also……….<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">Maybe they will. One can only hope. There’s
that word we’ve been hearing so much about.</span></font></span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv186644028MsoNormal" style=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">It is good to be
known that how bloody the role of Iran has been in the Afghanistan and Iraq
in steering up the problems between the Sonnies and
Shias…………that should be
brothers………it is good to know that how dirty the role of
the Iranian regime has been in changing the Saddam Hussein and it is good to
know that who is urging the USA to attack Iran, apparently one of them is
their fellow Muslim regime/regimes<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;"> Is this some surprise to you, Zhaleh
that the PUPPET LEADERS in Arab countries are calling for the bombing or
neutralization of Iran? If these so called leaders want to do business with
the United States
then they have to tow the line, don’t they?? This is no great
revelation except to people who aren’t paying attention or don’t
care enough or have the means to try and tease through the bullshit that the
MSM spews out daily and find out some semblance of the truth</span></font>………..don’t
you think if Your country had any problems with Iran, before going to go to
Iraq, was going to Boucher Iranians first?<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">The United States military wouldn’t
dare bomb Iran unless they were nuts enough to open a Pandora’s Box
which would lead to the closing of the Straits of Hormuz and the stoppage of
the oil flow not to mention the million plus army in Iran butchering every
single American and allied soldier that they could and basically starting WW
III. They decided to obliterate a smaller country whose people had already
been decimated by 10 years of economic sanctions and two Gulf Wars. The
United States
is a cowardly, bully nation. Haven’t you noticed that the
U.S. military acting on orders from the
U.S. government has not bombed
North Korea
into the Stone Age? We haven’t bombed
China . We haven’t bombed
Russia . This
is because the United States government KNOWS it would either get this
country nuked right back or this country would get its ass handed to it by a coalition
of other countries that are tired of being fucked with and maybe even want to
be the NEW DICTATORS on the block.</span></font></span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv186644028MsoNormal" style=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">In addition, i
should tell you also that I do not and will not care in million years if Wiki
does not talk about the Israel<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;"> Whatever, Zhaleh. Evidently, you don’t
really care about the 60+ years of terrorism and genocide dished out by the
Israelis toward the true Semitic people in Palestine and the people in
Lebanon</span></font>…………because the
master…….. is the USA<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;"> So, we should just forget about
Israel and focus on the
United States . How convenient for
Israel ,
Zhaleh. You play right into their hands.</span></font>………..Israel
has the capability to continue its crimes, because of the support it takes
from your government <b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">DO YOU PAY TAXES TO THIS GOVERNMENT,
ZHALEH?!!! If you do then you are complicit in what YOUR government does in
YOUR name and with YOUR money!! Didn’t you move here back in the
1980s?? How convenient for your conscience that you can work here, buy things
here, live here and still claim the U.S. government is somebody else’s
government and not yours. You are a hypocrite of the first order, Zhaleh and I’m
calling you on that. Now, if you get paid CASH UNDER THE TABLE and pay no
taxes whatsoever and do not buy one thing here in
America and in no way contribute
to this capitalist system, then you are lily white and innocent as a newborn
baby, Zhaleh. I highly doubt that, though, so stop with all this bullshit
about how the U.S.
government is not your government. It is everybody’s government that
pays into it!!! </span></font>and all the bourgeois nationalist capitalist
Palestinians or such would love not to attack
America politically<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;"> I have bitched about this, too,
Zhaleh. They won’t say anything bad about the United States because they
just might get deported back to Palestine or what’s left of it and then
they wouldn’t be able to make all the money they make and buy all the
fancy shit they buy</span></font>, but only concentrate their attacks on the
Israel<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="black"><span style="color: black;"> </span></font><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">That’s the safe route, not isn’t it? However,
Israel is
doing the killing of the Palestinians albeit with OUR MONEY and the WMD the
U.S. Military complex gives them. So, both shitty nation states are equally
to blame</span></font>………..this is a shame, to ignore the
source of the problems<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;"> Christ almighty damn, Zhaleh! No one is ignoring the
source. Get off it already!</span></font>………..it is easier
to condemn the petty things around<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;"> What’s “petty”
about Israel killing people and repressing people and stealing land and
natural resources for the last 60+ years?</span></font> and let the big
brothers go clean…………we are used to seeing this
methodology to confuses people more……….like arresting the
ordinary miserable people with less than one gram of drugs and let the cartels
go free<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;"> I agree with that. White collar criminals go scot
free while people who enjoy smoking a little weed go to prison for the rest
of their lives. It’s all bullshit meant to imprison and enslave mostly
young men of color who just might get sick and tired of being repressed and
enslaved and rise up against the mother fuckers who are doing the repressing
and enslaving. How convenient for the
U.S. government that they are
locked up tight in prisons. We haven’t even touched on the money that
the Corrections Corporation of
America is making with all these
locked up prisoners and new prisons being built. Look ‘em up and learn
something.</span></font>………..well it seems that this has
become a political life style for some………….</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv186644028MsoNormal" style=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">True
revolutionaries should see further than these <b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">People can be true revolutionaries in many
ways, Zhaleh. Opening one’s mind to a different way of thinking is
revolutionary in and of itself. One doesn’t need to pick up a gun to be
a revolutionary. There are many ways to start a revolution.</span></font>…………on
the other hand the Israelis government that you are talking about is much
more sophisticated than what you think to let its classified documents leak
to the outside world……….isn’t it? <b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">What classified documents? Stating what
exactly? Nobody said the Israeli government wasn’t sophisticated. The
Israelis are murderous and conniving bastards who will stop at nothing to get
what they want. If they want something “leaked” then it will be
leaked, Zhaleh. In this case, making the Israeli case for war with
Iran seems to
be the objective.</span></font></span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv186644028MsoNormal" style=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">My question is
that what are you afraid of? <font color="red"><span style="color: red;">I’m
more afraid of people like you who are so dogmatic that you can’t see
anybody else’s point of view except your own. This clouds the mind,
does it not, Zhaleh? You believe so staunchly in communism by way of state
run socialism even by the workers that you won’t even take into consideration
that maybe people don’t need or want a government or nanny state to
take care of them and tell them what to do, when to do it, how to do it and
where to do it. </span></font>That the USA
has come unclean alone or people are that stupid not to know that the
Israel is a bloody
Israel because of the immense support
it takes from your country?<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;"> Hopefully, people are waking up to this fact but they
are not waking up on account of the bought and paid for MSM which won’t
say one single word in condemnation of Israel</span></font> Which one of the
above? On the other hand those who stand against killing children and wars in
Iraq and Afghanistan, for sure DO NOT support it in Palestine
also…….remember that the role the Wiki is playing is not about
analyzing the current politics, but to access the links to them
primarily ………..</span></font></p>
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<p class="yiv186644028MsoNormal" style=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">What I do like
the most in what the wiki leaks is doing, is not the leaked information at
all, though that would be very necessary for the ordinary people to see with
facts that what America, the land of democracy is doing to them<b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;"> These leaks aren’t showing
Americans what American “democracy” is doing to them. The leaks
are showing how arrogant and stupid the United States government is, but if
the American people are not reading the Wikileaks word for word and are
getting their information from the MSM, then they’re not getting the
whole story, are they?</span></font>, but let alone the ability to show how
fragile the capitalism/imperialism really can be, and how from within as one
of the rules of the Dialectical Materialism, will be prone to
collapse…… as simple as that..........when the time for the
people’s revolutionary upsurge will come…………. <b><i><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> </span></font></i></b><font color="red"><span style="color: red;">Well, we shall see if an international
revolutionary upsurge comes, won’t we? If another government is put
into place to replace the one that falls apart (assuming it does) then
nothing will have been solved. </span></font></span></font></p>
<p class="yiv186644028MsoNormal" style=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Zhaleh</span></font></p>
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<p><strong><b><font size="2" color="#8000ff" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; color: rgb(128, 0, 255);">The historic
ascent of humanity, taken as a whole, may be summarized as a succession of
victories of consciousness over blind forces - in nature, in society, in man
himself.</span></font></b></strong><font size="2" color="#8000ff"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(128, 0, 255);"> <br>
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