<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I am on another SYMPA list that disallows attachments and HTML. I didn't think that PAA was a SYMPA list. Bill, do you have a choice in how large the messages can be? 100k is crazy small.<div><br></div><div>I would like to poll the members, but first please tell if you could change the rule if the list members wanted it changed.</div><div><br></div><div>wendy</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 24, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Lee Loe wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"> <div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="468104621-24012011"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">This is not about the abc of the struggle for justice. There are 2 parts to this: The main point I wanted to make is that Bill is not picking on anyone in postponing letting this message go to everyone. He is adhering to a rule his organization has regarding the size of the email. It is not about you; it is about the rules of the organization. I said nothing about whether I agreed with the rules or not, just that, not only PAA has such requirement but so does CodePink; I was not responding because it was you, Massoud questioning this rule., only because you said no other group had a size limit. I wanted you to know that probably Bill had no idea who sent what, that his program responded, as did CodePink's, automatically.</font></span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="468104621-24012011"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="468104621-24012011"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">It was not an insult to your art, either. I agree that there needs to be a civil discussion about this at PAA, etc. as I myself, have not sent very important articles to PAA because they were too long. It makes me have to send them to individuals on the list who I think would be interested, which takes extra time. On the otherhand, that is probably why there is a restriction, because folks don't like to be overloaded with long articles. Also, some computers won't take pictures because of the # of kb. Lee</font></span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="468104621-24012011"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div> <div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="468104621-24012011"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2"></font></span> </div><br> <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" lang="en-us" dir="ltr" align="left"> <hr tabindex="-1"> <font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> discuss-bounces@paa-tx.org [<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@paa-tx.org">mailto:discuss-bounces@paa-tx.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wendy Schroell<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 24, 2011 3:25 PM<br><b>To:</b> discuss paa<br><b>Subject:</b> [PAA-Discuss] Data size restriction on PAA Discuss<br></font><br></div> <div></div>I too think that this is an outdated rule. These days just about everyone uses HTML email and most of us have broadbrand. We lose a lot when we can't see the pictures. I hope that you will reconsider this size restriction, Bill. <div><br></div> <div>wendy</div> <div><br></div> <div><br><br> <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Massoud <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:massoud1@windstream.net">massoud1@windstream.net</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid"> <div lang="EN-US" vlink="purple" link="blue"> <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d">Lee, please hear me out. Is the local and international political messages are more important than some rules that are made by some people in a meeting in a nice coffee shop in Houston or not?</span></p><div><span style="COLOR: #1f497d"></span> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d">We are living in a world that a revaluation happens over night and an innocent person (Bradley Manning) is tortured in a meticulous state-of- art advanced dungeon. Now are you telling me those unreasonable rules about the size of data for posting a message are more important that real facts?! The PAA list has a 100 KB maximum data for each e-mails. QUESTION: (and forget about Massoud for a moment if you can) IS THIS ENOUGH DATA SIZE? Lee, be fair. Mohammad El-abouazizi burned himself to ashes to make a point, now the ladies and gentlemen in CodePink and PAA can’t give a little free data, because… ?!! well I give up…. Do whatever you think is right… I’m really tired of arguing over the abc of the art of the struggle for justice….</span></p><div><span style="COLOR: #1f497d"></span> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="COLOR: #1f497d">Massoud</span></p><div><span style="COLOR: #1f497d"></span> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div> <div> <div style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Lee Loe [mailto:<a href="mailto:leeloe@igc.org" target="_blank">leeloe@igc.org</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 24, 2011 12:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Massoud'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Lee Leo, STOP INSULTING ME.</span></p></div></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue">Look again at the email I sent you. Massoud. It is from the code pink site and they are saying what I sent was too large. I repeat it here. I did not say shut up, Massoud. There are so many other ways to display your artwork. I was not patronizing you, Massoud, nor am I playing with you nor insulting you. YOU are misunderstanding and twisting things. Do read the response below that I got from <a href="mailto:symp@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">symp@lists.riseup.net</a>. Lee</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"></span></p> <div class="im"><div><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"></span> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p>From: SYMPA [mailto:<a href="mailto:sympa@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">sympa@lists.riseup.net</a>]</p><p>Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:19 AM</p><p>To: <a href="mailto:leeloe@igc.org" target="_blank">leeloe@igc.org</a></p><p>Subject: Message distribution: User error</p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p>Impossible to distribute your message for list 'codepinkhouston' for the following reason:</p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p>Your message could not be sent because its size was over the maximum size allowed on this list.</p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p>For further information, please contact</p><p><a href="mailto:codepinkhouston-request@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">codepinkhouston-request@lists.riseup.net</a></p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"></span> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align="center"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"> <hr align="center" width="100%" size="2"> </span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> Massoud [mailto:<a href="mailto:massoud1@windstream.net" target="_blank">massoud1@windstream.net</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 24, 2011 12:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:discuss@paa-tx.org" target="_blank">discuss@paa-tx.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Lee Loe'<br><b>Subject:</b> Lee Leo, STOP INSULTING ME.</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"></span></p> <div> <div></div> <div class="h5"><p><span>I disagree with you Lee. And for you information all Artists in the world disagree with you. We the artists want to express ourselves our own way. Again and again, your are missing the point. Please explain why other lists in Houston don't have any problem with my posts with an artwork attachment, except the PAA list? You are telling me that I should SHUT UP artistically! ..and I should just write about my artwork. WOW! What a Democrat you have become! </span></p><div><span></span> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span>And PLEASE don't patronize me with your kind words about my artwork, that is beneath you, Lee. </span><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red">Go find another foreigner "pet" to play with. Stop insulting me!</span></b></p><p><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: red"></span></b> </p><p><span>BILL, PLEASE TAKE MY NAME OFF THE PAA LIST OR POST MY ENTIRE E-MAILS.</span></p><div><span></span> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p><span>Massoud </span></p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Lee Loe [mailto:<a href="mailto:leeloe@igc.org" target="_blank">leeloe@igc.org</a>] <br>Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:53 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:massoud1@windstream.net" target="_blank">massoud1@windstream.net</a><br>Subject: FW: Message distribution: User error</p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p>Most sites have a limit on the size of messages, Massoud. You don't need to feel adversarial about it. Knowing what your banner says is sufficient, actually as we know the wonderful art work you do. It is certainly the correct message. Lee -----Original Message-----</p><p>From: SYMPA [mailto:<a href="mailto:sympa@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">sympa@lists.riseup.net</a>]</p><p>Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 11:19 AM</p><p>To: <a href="mailto:leeloe@igc.org" target="_blank">leeloe@igc.org</a></p><p>Subject: Message distribution: User error</p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p>Impossible to distribute your message for list 'codepinkhouston' for the following reason:</p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p>Your message could not be sent because its size was over the maximum size allowed on this list.</p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p>For further information, please contact</p><p><a href="mailto:codepinkhouston-request@lists.riseup.net" target="_blank">codepinkhouston-request@lists.riseup.net</a></p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p>=======</p><p>Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found.</p><p class="MsoNormal">(Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16760) <a href="http://www.pc" target="_blank">http://www.pc</a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"><br><br><br><br></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><br>=======<br>Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found.<br>(Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16760)<br><a href="http://www.pctools.com/?cclick=EmailFooterClean_51" target="_blank">http://www.pctools.com</a><br>=======</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"> <br><br><br><br></span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><br>=======<br>Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found.<br>(Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16760)<br><a href="http://www.pctools.com/?cclick=EmailFooterClean_51" target="_blank">http://www.pctools.com</a><br>=======</span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'"> </span></p></div></div></div> <div> <div></div> <div class="h5"><br><br><br><br><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><br>=======<br>Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found.<br>(Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16760)<br><a href="http://www.pctools.com/?cclick=EmailFooterClean_51" target="_blank">http://www.pctools.com</a><br>=======</font> </div></div></div><br>---------------<br>Progressive Action Alliance <a href="http://progressiveactionalliance.org/" target="_blank">http://progressiveactionalliance.org/</a><br>Discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:Discuss@paa-tx.org">Discuss@paa-tx.org</a><br>To subscribe, unsubscribe, access the archives, or change your options on this list, go to:<br><a href="http://paa-tx.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_paa-tx.org" target="_blank">http://paa-tx.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_paa-tx.org</a><br><br>To reply only to the person posting this note, use "Reply".<br>To reply so that everyone on this list receives your note, use "Reply All".<br>Check the "To:" field in your message, before sending, to ensure it goes to the correct address.<br><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>