[PAA-Discuss] Get Off our Back ...Mr. Moore

[Massoud]

This is suppose to be a discussion group not just a copy machine bind, collecting copies of all kind of half baked or burned ideas without any challenges. So let's for a change analyze this latest bizarre copy from Julie of the copy department. It seems that she has read what she actually has posted this time and as she says she "feels" that "MM" that is Michael Moore makes some "well thought out points here". Well, she leaves us with just a "feeling" and doesn't explain why.

 

Let's see if she can "feel" my points (in blue) just the same. Massoud

 

  Words from the voice of reason , I feel MM makes some very *itelligent*, well thought out points here (note, he disagrees with some of Obama's decisions & actions without deamonizing  him or resorting to stereotypically GOP name calling (Hitler, etc.) - Julie

 

Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore 

Saturday, October 10th, 2009 

Friends, 

Last night my wife asked me if I thought I was a little too hard on Obama in my letter yesterday congratulating him on his Nobel Prize.

"Too Hard"? Just imagine if Mr. Moore's wife was from an Afghani family who had lost 20 of their children, brothers and sisters in one night, the night of her sister's wedding due to the US bombing for let's say "a wrong intelligence information". I wonder if Mrs. Moore still would think, her husband is being "too hard" in having a mild criticism of President Obama?

 "No, I don't think so," I replied. I thought it was important to remind him he's now conducting the two wars he's inherited. 

"Inherited"? What's that mean? Is the war against Afghanistan right or wrong? When the anti-war activists say "Stop the War" do they have a condition attached to it? Stop the war now - but if you have inherited it from the last administration, then we understand that it is really hard to stop and of course it is not your fault Mr. President! I think the people on this list are familiar with the word "apologists" and their pathetic characters. So I leave it at that.

"Yeah," she said, "but to tell him, 'Now earn it!'? Give the guy a break -- this is a great day for him and for all of us."

"Us" ? How that makes a great day for the million uninsured, unemployed and broken people that are losing their home, family and most of all the hope for a better future? 

I went back and re-read what I had written. And I listened for far too long yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what they could to crap all over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the left -- do the same? 

Well, wait a minute Mr. Moore. Not so fast. First of all you are not from the "Left". You are a "yes-man" democrat who criticizes the system to only make it stronger and not to change it. Remember once you've asked us to vote for a military man General Wesley Clark to solve our problems. Also please don't divide the political situation into two factions: Barack Obama and those who hate him. This is not the reality. The right wing hate isn't anything new and it will not go away with your mild reformist ideas. The fact is -today- the right wing minority is in disarray. It doesn't mean that they are not dangerous, on contrary because of this desperation; they can be more harmful and vicious. But they are not the main obstacle in ending the wars or achieving a decent healthcare system for the American People. 

We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to these two wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and morally. To think of all the good we could have done with all that money! Two months of the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that need to be dug in the Third World for drinking water! Obama is moving too slow for most of us -- 

Wow, here we go ... Please don't apologize for him, please don't say BUT...

but he needs to know we are with him and we stand beside him as he attempts to turn eight years of sheer madness around. Who could do that in nine months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell?

Yes, in last 9 months more people have died (on both sides) in Afghanistan than in the last 19 months, but that is not important to Mr. and Mrs. Moore. What is important is that the President knows that we (the apologists) are behind him and will cheer him no matter what. After all we are not Afghanis, we are Americans.

Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we all need to be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. What keeps us from forming the same local groups we put together to get out the vote last November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the majority by a significant margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell this wimpy Congress to get busy and do what we say -- or else. 

I don't know if Mr. Moore is kidding or he really thinks "we call all the shots"? Does Mr. Moore believe that we, the majority, are in control? What kind of majority is this? Why are the wishes and policies of the fat insurance companies (who are the minorities) the law of this land and the "majority" hands are tied? 

All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too quickly. 

Is another 9 months or 19 months sufficient time?... Is there any deadline at all Mr. Moore? Do you want us just sit at home and politely call a number, then wait and hope for the best results?

Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). But don't abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And for God's sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we don't like. Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the Right had 20 years of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get prayer in the public schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our Social Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, no doubt about that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought for, they came up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven crazy lately. They'll never have it as good again as they've had it since Reagan took office. 

This argument really is helping us a lot; it is good to know that we are not in the Reagan era. Thank you Mr. Moore for these eye opening facts about Republicans!

But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! They keep on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of wavering, we just pack up our toys and go home. 

I thought you wanted us to stay home and just call or have meaningless gatherings about how bad the Republicans are. Is there more to that, Mr. Moore, if so please tell us what should we do this weekend?

So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people elsewhere are celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the White House, a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters. 

What are you talking about Mr. Moore?!! You are giving us the guarantee of a peaceful future because there is a man in the White House that wants "a world at peace for his two daughters" !!!! I suppose you are sure that George W. Bush didn't want the same thing for his two daughters".  What twisted logic!

Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have grumbled, "What has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this: 

The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be the recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize. 

Here we go again. You already told us there is no "superman", but I bet you will find enough reasons to make him a hero, so please tell us the reasons:

Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years were totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the War in Iraq from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world has stood by in utter horror for the past eight years as they watched the descendants of Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse of our own self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by abandoning Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years worth of the polar ice caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, failed to find the real terrorists[a1] [a2]  and, in effect, ignited our own wave of terror. People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad. 

Is there anymore...Mr. Moore?

And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over the worst global financial collapse since the Great Depression. 

OK, so you are telling us that we should appreciate Mr. Obama for helping the bankrupted Financial Lords with our money to rise again so they can keep applying the same failed policies with our money again! I think you've really nailed this one Mr. Moore!

So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for him won it, too. By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the Grant Park Historic Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people around the globe were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It was as if, in that instant, one man did bring the promise of peace to the world -- and most were ready to go wherever he wanted to go to achieve that end. Never before had the election of one man made every other nation feel like they had won, too. When you've got billions of people ready, willing and able to join a cause like this, well, a prize in Oslo is the least that you deserve. 

Yes that was the historical victory. But Mr. Moore, the problem with you is that you have been frozen on November 4, and it looks like you don't realize that that date was 9 months ago. Since then people in the U.S. and around the world have witnessed many unpleasant events that put doubts in their minds about the promise of "change" by Mr. Obama. This is just a reality, people are re-evaluating. 

One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to those who have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and segregation (Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the Nobel committee, in awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the fact that something profound had happened in a nation that was founded on racial genocide, built on racist slavery, and held back for a hundred-plus years by vestiges of hateful bigotry (which can still be found on display at teabagger rallies and daily talk radio). The fact that this one man could cause this seismic historical event to occur -- and to do so with such grace and humility, never succumbing to the bait, but still not backing down (yes, he asked to be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- is more than reason enough he should be in Oslo to meet the King on December 10. Maybe he could take us along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the Nobel committee was tipping its hat to all of us -- we, the American people, had conquered some of our racism and did the truly unexpected. After seeing searing images of our black fellow citizens left to drown in New Orleans -- and poor whites seeing their own treated no better than the black man they had been raised to hate -- we had all seen enough. It was time for change. 

Yes, you are still stuck on November 4.

Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem ourselves. Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you promised to do. We need it. The world needs it.

Mr. Moore, you are thanking Mr. Obama because he is giving us "the opportunity to redeem ourselves"? "REDEEM" from what Mr. Moore? WWJ say about this? 

My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* winner of the Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah! 

I'm sure by that time all "your redeemed people" will dance with joy in the streets and celebrate a peaceful world! But the Nobel Prizes' right wing nags are just distractions. People are smarter than what you think. Massoud (that's Arabic for "happiness").

Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"),
Michael Moore
MMFlint at aol.com
MichaelMoore.com 

 



Join Mike's Mailing List | Join Mike's Facebook Group | Follow Mike on Twitter | Become Mike's MySpace Friend 




          You are currently subscribed to michaelmoore as: juli3 at aol.com 
          Add maillist at michaelmoore.com to your email address book to ensure delivery 
          Forward to a Friend  |  Manage Subscription  |   Subscribe  |   Unsubscribe  



------------------------------------------------------------------------------


  ---------------
  Progressive Action Alliance  http://progressiveactionalliance.org/
  Discuss mailing list   Discuss at paa-tx.org
  To subscribe, unsubscribe, access the archives, or change your options on this list, go to:
  http://paa-tx.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss_paa-tx.org

  To reply only to the person posting this note, use "Reply".
  To reply so that everyone on this list receives your note, use "Reply All".
  Check the "To:" field in your message, before sending, to ensure it goes to the correct address.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://paa-tx.org/pipermail/discuss_paa-tx.org/attachments/20091011/b40386b0/attachment.htm>