[PAA-Discuss] Get Off our Back ...Mr. Moore

[Ron and Kris Graham]

I agree with everything you say here, Massoud. The fact of the matter is
that Barack Obama has done NOTHING WHATSOEVER to earn that Nobel Prize. He
should've refused to accept it. I don't give a damn if he is the first
bi-racial person to ever be elected president. He hasn't done one damned
thing for anybody in this country other than the filthy rich, and he sure as
hell hasn't done anything for people of color. He was selected and then
elected by the global corporate thugs and banksters who have bankrupted this
country. He is systematically allowing thousands upon thousands of people to
be killed and maimed all for the U.S. capitalistic system which is an
inherently unfair, class based system. Obama is being led around by the nose
by wealthy Zionists and Neo-Cons and Neo-Liberals because he answers only to
them. Most of the Congress is included in this.

 

Michael Moore is an apologist for the Democratic Party, and he is deluded as
hell if he thinks Barack Obama is going to be persuaded by some peace prize
to do what a normal human being would do and that is to bring the U.S.
military home from the Middle East, get the mercenaries out of the Middle
East, close the idiotic U.S. military bases in countries around the world,
make reparations to the people of Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan for the
death and destruction we have caused, stop funding Israel and declare that
terrorist nation a foreign agent, install Medicare for all in this country,
fund public education from K through college etc. This will not happen
because #1) Barack Obama is NO socialist #2) the Congress is bought and paid
for #3) the American people are totally uneducated and don't even understand
what the hell socialism is and #4) the U.S. economy is a war based economy
and has been since WWII. 

 

The Neo-Cons, Neo-Liberals and Zionists are short sighted, greedy, two bit
bastards who think only of enriching themselves in the short term. They care
nothing for the future of their children, anybody else's children, the earth
etc. Their hearts and minds are filled with hate and greed. They want only
to have more than everyone else and live in the lap of luxury while the
majority of the people of the world starve to death and die of preventable
diseases. This is pure evil! They think they can bomb the hell out of anyone
they please and take whatever they want, but this plan will backfire. Either
the people of the United States and the world are going to get a belly full
of being trodden upon and rise up and extinguish these bastards or the human
race is going to disappear because the species is too stupid, apathetic,
uneducated, gullible and willing to follow the fucking Pied Piper right off
a cliff. People seem to need heroes and most of the people they look up to
are zeros. The ONLY saviors will be each one of us who have sense enough to
realize what is going on and what is really important in life. We have the
ability to save ourselves if we just come together and figure out what we
collectively need to do. 

 

I am so sick and tired of people hoping that Obama can be pushed and prodded
to act like a decent human being!! The entire capitalistic system of the
United States needs to be abolished and replaced with an egalitarian
socialist system! Capitalism is a class based system that ONLY favors the
wealthy. I would say racism and sexism are the least of our problems in this
country.

 

CLASSISM is the major problem in the United States!!!! Everything else falls
under the banner of CLASS!!! Until we get rid of this class based system of
ours and start treating people as equals with equal protection under the law
and equal rights, we are never ever going to see any justice here or
elsewhere in the world.

 

Kris

 

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From: Massoud [mailto:massoud1 at windstream.net] 
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:23 PM
To: discuss at paa-tx.org
Cc: Juli3 at aol.com
Subject: [PAA-Discuss] Get Off our Back ...Mr. Moore

 

This is suppose to be a discussion group not just a copy machine bind,
collecting copies of all kind of half baked or burned ideas without any
challenges. So let's for a change analyze this latest bizarre copy from
Julie of the copy department. It seems that she has read what she actually
has posted this time and as she says she "feels" that "MM" that is Michael
Moore makes some "well thought out points here". Well, she leaves us with
just a "feeling" and doesn't explain why.

 

Let's see if she can "feel" my points (in blue) just the same. Massoud

 

  Words from the voice of reason , I feel MM makes some very *itelligent*,
well thought out points here (note, he disagrees with some of Obama's
decisions & actions without deamonizing  him or resorting to stereotypically
GOP name calling (Hitler, etc.) - Julie

 

Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore 

Saturday, October 10th, 2009 

Friends, 

Last night my wife asked me if I thought I was a little too hard on Obama in
my letter yesterday congratulating him on his Nobel Prize.

"Too Hard"? Just imagine if Mr. Moore's wife was from an Afghani family who
had lost 20 of their children, brothers and sisters in one night, the night
of her sister's wedding due to the US bombing for let's say "a wrong
intelligence information". I wonder if Mrs. Moore still would think, her
husband is being "too hard" in having a mild criticism of President Obama?

 "No, I don't think so," I replied. I thought it was important to remind him
he's now conducting the two wars he's inherited. 

"Inherited"? What's that mean? Is the war against Afghanistan right or
wrong? When the anti-war activists say "Stop the War" do they have a
condition attached to it? Stop the war now - but if you have inherited it
from the last administration, then we understand that it is really hard to
stop and of course it is not your fault Mr. President! I think the people on
this list are familiar with the word "apologists" and their pathetic
characters. So I leave it at that.

"Yeah," she said, "but to tell him, 'Now earn it!'? Give the guy a break --
this is a great day for him and for all of us."

"Us" ? How that makes a great day for the million uninsured, unemployed and
broken people that are losing their home, family and most of all the hope
for a better future? 

I went back and re-read what I had written. And I listened for far too long
yesterday to the right wing hate machine who did what they could to crap all
over Barack's big day. Did I -- and others on the left -- do the same? 

Well, wait a minute Mr. Moore. Not so fast. First of all you are not from
the "Left". You are a "yes-man" democrat who criticizes the system to only
make it stronger and not to change it. Remember once you've asked us to vote
for a military man General Wesley Clark to solve our problems. Also please
don't divide the political situation into two factions: Barack Obama and
those who hate him. This is not the reality. The right wing hate isn't
anything new and it will not go away with your mild reformist ideas. The
fact is -today- the right wing minority is in disarray. It doesn't mean that
they are not dangerous, on contrary because of this desperation; they can be
more harmful and vicious. But they are not the main obstacle in ending the
wars or achieving a decent healthcare system for the American People. 

We are weary, weary of war. The trillions that will have gone to these two
wars have helped to bankrupt us as a nation -- financially and morally. To
think of all the good we could have done with all that money! Two months of
the War in Iraq would pay for all the wells that need to be dug in the Third
World for drinking water! Obama is moving too slow for most of us -- 

Wow, here we go ... Please don't apologize for him, please don't say BUT...

but he needs to know we are with him and we stand beside him as he attempts
to turn eight years of sheer madness around. Who could do that in nine
months? Superman? Thor? Mitch McConnell?

Yes, in last 9 months more people have died (on both sides) in Afghanistan
than in the last 19 months, but that is not important to Mr. and Mrs. Moore.
What is important is that the President knows that we (the apologists) are
behind him and will cheer him no matter what. After all we are not Afghanis,
we are Americans.

Instead of waiting to see what the president is going to do, we all need to
be pro-active and push the agenda that we want to see enacted. What keeps us
from forming the same local groups we put together to get out the vote last
November? C'mon! We're the majority now -- the majority by a significant
margin! We call the shots -- and we need to tell this wimpy Congress to get
busy and do what we say -- or else. 

I don't know if Mr. Moore is kidding or he really thinks "we call all the
shots"? Does Mr. Moore believe that we, the majority, are in control? What
kind of majority is this? Why are the wishes and policies of the fat
insurance companies (who are the minorities) the law of this land and the
"majority" hands are tied? 

All I ask of those who voted for Obama is to not pile on him too quickly. 

Is another 9 months or 19 months sufficient time?... Is there any deadline
at all Mr. Moore? Do you want us just sit at home and politely call a
number, then wait and hope for the best results?

Yes, make your voice heard (his phone number is 202-456-1414). But don't
abandon the best hope we've had in our lifetime for change. And for God's
sake, don't head to bummerville if he says or does something we don't like.
Do you ever see Republicans behave that way? I mean, the Right had 20 years
of Republican presidents and they still couldn't get prayer in the public
schools, or outlaw abortion, or initiate a flat tax or put our Social
Security into the stock market. They did a lot of damage, no doubt about
that, but on the key issues that the Christian Right fought for, they came
up nearly empty handed. No wonder they've been driven crazy lately. They'll
never have it as good again as they've had it since Reagan took office. 

This argument really is helping us a lot; it is good to know that we are not
in the Reagan era. Thank you Mr. Moore for these eye opening facts about
Republicans!

But -- do you ever see them looking all gloomy and defeated? No! They keep
on fighting! Every day. Our side? At the first sign of wavering, we just
pack up our toys and go home. 

I thought you wanted us to stay home and just call or have meaningless
gatherings about how bad the Republicans are. Is there more to that, Mr.
Moore, if so please tell us what should we do this weekend?

So, at least for this weekend, let us celebrate what people elsewhere are
celebrating -- that America now has a sane and smart man in the White House,
a man who truly wants a world at peace for his two daughters. 

What are you talking about Mr. Moore?!! You are giving us the guarantee of a
peaceful future because there is a man in the White House that wants "a
world at peace for his two daughters" !!!! I suppose you are sure that
George W. Bush didn't want the same thing for his two daughters".  What
twisted logic!

Many, for the past couple days (yes, myself included), have grumbled, "What
has he done to earn this prize?" How 'bout this: 

The simple fact that he was elected was reason enough for him to be the
recipient of this year's Nobel Peace Prize. 

Here we go again. You already told us there is no "superman", but I bet you
will find enough reasons to make him a hero, so please tell us the reasons:

Because on that day the murderous actions of the Bush/Cheney years were
totally and thoroughly rebuked. One man -- a man who opposed the War in Iraq
from the beginning -- offered to end the insanity. The world has stood by in
utter horror for the past eight years as they watched the descendants of
Washington, Lincoln and Jefferson light the fuse of our own
self-destruction. We flipped off the nations on this planet by abandoning
Kyoto and then proceeded to melt eight more years worth of the polar ice
caps. We invaded two nations that didn't attack us, failed to find the real
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terror. People all over the world wondered if we had gone mad. 

Is there anymore...Mr. Moore?

And if all that wasn't enough, the outgoing Joker presided over the worst
global financial collapse since the Great Depression. 

OK, so you are telling us that we should appreciate Mr. Obama for helping
the bankrupted Financial Lords with our money to rise again so they can keep
applying the same failed policies with our money again! I think you've
really nailed this one Mr. Moore!

So, yeah, at precisely 11:00pm ET on November 4, 2008, Barack Obama won the
Nobel Peace Prize. And the 66 million people who voted for him won it, too.
By the time he took the stage at midnight ET in the Grant Park Historic
Hippie Battlefield in downtown Chicago, billions of people around the globe
were already breathing a huge sigh of relief. It was as if, in that instant,
one man did bring the promise of peace to the world -- and most were ready
to go wherever he wanted to go to achieve that end. Never before had the
election of one man made every other nation feel like they had won, too.
When you've got billions of people ready, willing and able to join a cause
like this, well, a prize in Oslo is the least that you deserve. 

Yes that was the historical victory. But Mr. Moore, the problem with you is
that you have been frozen on November 4, and it looks like you don't realize
that that date was 9 months ago. Since then people in the U.S. and around
the world have witnessed many unpleasant events that put doubts in their
minds about the promise of "change" by Mr. Obama. This is just a reality,
people are re-evaluating. 

One other thought. The Peace Prize historically has been given to those who
have worked to throw off the yoke of racial discrimination and segregation
(Martin Luther King, Jr., Desmond Tutu). I think the Nobel committee, in
awarding Obama the prize, was also rewarding the fact that something
profound had happened in a nation that was founded on racial genocide, built
on racist slavery, and held back for a hundred-plus years by vestiges of
hateful bigotry (which can still be found on display at teabagger rallies
and daily talk radio). The fact that this one man could cause this seismic
historical event to occur -- and to do so with such grace and humility,
never succumbing to the bait, but still not backing down (yes, he asked to
be sworn in as "Barack Hussein Obama"!) -- is more than reason enough he
should be in Oslo to meet the King on December 10. Maybe he could take us
along with him. 'Cause I also suspect the Nobel committee was tipping its
hat to all of us -- we, the American people, had conquered some of our
racism and did the truly unexpected. After seeing searing images of our
black fellow citizens left to drown in New Orleans -- and poor whites seeing
their own treated no better than the black man they had been raised to hate
-- we had all seen enough. It was time for change. 

Yes, you are still stuck on November 4.

Thank you, Barack Obama, for giving us the opportunity to redeem ourselves.
Now for the tasks ahead. We need you to do all that you promised to do. We
need it. The world needs it.

Mr. Moore, you are thanking Mr. Obama because he is giving us "the
opportunity to redeem ourselves"? "REDEEM" from what Mr. Moore? WWJ say
about this? 

My prediction for the future? You become the first *two-time* winner of the
Nobel Peace Prize! Yeah! 

I'm sure by that time all "your redeemed people" will dance with joy in the
streets and celebrate a peaceful world! But the Nobel Prizes' right wing
nags are just distractions. People are smarter than what you think. Massoud
(that's Arabic for "happiness").

Fred (that's Norwegian for "Peace"),
Michael Moore
MMFlint at aol.com
MichaelMoore.com <http://www.michaelmoore.com/>  

 






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