[PAA-Discuss] [HoustonPF] RE: Ho Hum: More Wikileaks "Chickenfeed"

Thu Dec 2 01:19:44 EST 2010

I think elements within the CIA and the Israeli Mossad are feeding some of
the information to Wikileaks. Assange is either in on the whole shebang or
he's the biggest dupe in history.

Kris

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Subject: [HoustonPF] RE: [PAA-Discuss] Ho Hum: More Wikileaks "Chickenfeed"

check out what zbigniew brezinski has to say about wikileaks

http://mycatbirdseat.com/2010/12/zbigniew-brzezinski-who-is-really-leaking-t
o-wikileaks/

Judy Woodruff speaks to former national security advisers Zbigniew
Brzezinski and Stephen Hadley about the impact of the release of
confidential diplomatic documents by WikiLeaks.

Zbigniew Brzezinski doesn't think all the leaked information coming out of
Wikileaks is a result of Army PFC Bradley Manning, as a matter of fact he
suspects a foreign intelligence service may be providing the more
embarrassing leaks.

In a
<http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/government_programs/july-dec10/weakileaks2_1
1-29.html> PBS interview with Judy Woodruff, Dr. Brzezinski lays out his
thinking:

JUDY WOODRUFF: Dr. Brzezinski, what do you think the fallout is going to be?

ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI, former adviser, U.S. National Security: .

The real issue is, who is feeding Wikipedia on this issue - Wiki - Wiki -
WikiLeaks on this issue? They're getting a lot of information which seems
trivial, inconsequential, but some of it seems surprisingly pointed.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Well, what are you referring to? 

ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI: Well, for example, there are references to a report by
our officials that some Chinese leaders favor a reunified Korea under South
Korea.

This is clearly designed to embarrass the Chinese and our relationship with
them. The very pointed references to Arab leaders could have as their
objective undermining their political credibility at home, because this kind
of public identification of their hostility towards Iran could actually play
against them at home.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And what is it - what are you worried about with regard to
the knowledge that.

ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI: It's not a question of worry. It's, rather, a question
of whether WikiLeaks are being manipulated by interested parties that want
to either complicate our relationship with other governments or want to
undermine some governments, because some of these items that are being
emphasized and have surfaced are very pointed.

And I wonder whether, in fact, there aren't some operations internationally,
intelligence services, that are feeding stuff to WikiLeaks, because it is a
unique opportunity to embarrass us, to embarrass our position, but also to
undermine our relations with particular governments.

For example, leaving aside the personal gossip about Sarkozy or Berlusconi
or Putin, the business about the Turks is clearly calculated in terms of its
potential impact on disrupting the American-Turkish relationship.

JUDY WOODRUFF: Just criticizing the people around. 

ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI: And the top leaders, Erdogan and Davutoglu and so
forth, are using some really, really, very sharp language.

JUDY WOODRUFF: But this is 250 - it's a quarter-of-a-million documents. 

ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI: Precisely.

JUDY WOODRUFF: How easy would it be to seed this to make sure that it was
slanted a certain way?

ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI: Seeding - seeding it is very easy.

I have no doubt that WikiLeaks is getting a lot of the stuff from sort of
relatively unimportant sources, like the one that perhaps is identified on
the air. But it may be getting stuff at the same time from interested
intelligence parties who want to manipulate the process and achieve certain
very specific objectives.

It should be noted that while ZB suspects foreign elements behind some of
the leaks, it could very well be internal U.S. elements unhappy with the
direction the President is taking things. Wikileaks may have both domestic
and foreign sources. There could very well be more than one playing this
game.

Source:
<http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2010/11/zbigniew-brzezinski-who-is-rea
lly.html> EconomicPolicyJournal.com: Zbigniew Brzezinski: Who is Really
Leaking to Wikileaks?

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Subject: [PAA-Discuss] Ho Hum: More Wikileaks "Chickenfeed"

Has no one noticed that Israel comes out smelling like a rose from these
Wikileaks? Has no one noticed that Israel appears vindicated in its call for
bombing Iran into the Stone Age? Has no one noticed these Wikileaks cables
don't tell anybody much of anything that he or she did not already know or
suspect unless he or she was living in a cave? Who is Wikileaks? Who is
Julian Assange and what is his angle? No one seems to know where he is.
Assange is probably hanging out in CIA headquarters in Langley, VA or holed
up in Israel somewhere blowing Binyamin Netanyahu. Has no one noticed that a
lot of these cables give justification for bombing Iran because Saudi Arabia
and some other unnamed Arab states supposedly feel threatened by Iran?
Bullshit!!! A poll was taken in the Middle East and 80% of Arab people feel
ISRAEL is the #1 threat to the region followed by 77% thinking the U.S. is
the second biggest threat. Only 10% of Arabs felt like Iran was the major
threat. That information was reported by Noam Chomsky on Democracy NOW by
the way.  The dictators in the various Arab countries want the United States
or Israel to bomb Iran. Even if Iran did have a nuclear weapon, who the fuck
cares?! The United States is sitting on a stockpile of nuclear weapons!! So
are Israel, Great Britain, India, China, France, Pakistan, and North
Korea!!! What hypocrisy!! Is it any surprise that members of the State
Department and others call the leaders in other countries names and speak
disparagingly about them? This is not news.

These cables show the United States government for what it is and that is a
chicken shit failed imperial superpower with a god complex. That's not
fucking news, people!! Has anybody been paying attention or has everybody's
head been up their collective asses?! Maybe the American people are so
fucking uninformed and brainwashed that they think these cables are news! I
suppose when one listens to the MSM all day and reads the rag newspapers and
spends all his or her time working, shopping, drinking beer or fucking then
these Wikileaks cables are news. Of course, the fucking MSM is bought and
paid for! They know who they serve and it sure as hell isn't the American
public. Of course, the information from the cables was cherry picked by the
U.S. media! Is that surprising? Of course not, if you've been paying
attention.

I'm with Gordon Duff. I think Wikileaks is a CIA/Mossad tool. Why do we not
read any cables about 9/11 which was the catalyst for all the
unconstitutional and illegal shit that has followed?! Has anybody other than
Robert Graham inquired about that?! I noticed that nobody even answered
Robert's e-mail about that little fact. The U.S. government needed its new
"Pearl Harbor" so they could start endless wars and build WMD 'til the cows
come home and they damned well got their new Pearl Harbor. Why the majority
of people in the United States seem to care little for that and seem willing
to put 9/11 to bed and just accept the bogus 9/11 Commission report (cover
up) is beyond me. The old canard, "My country right or wrong" must be to
blame. People just don't want to think. They must want to be told what to
do, when to do it, how to do it and where to do it.  The majority of the
American people are zombies.

Kris

Ho Hum: More Wikileaks "Chickenfeed"

By Gordon Duff

Global Research <http://www.globalresearch.ca> , December 1, 2010

Veterans Today <http://veteranstoday.com>  

The new Wikileaks claims the US undereported by 15,000, the deaths of Iraqi
"civilians."  With the numbers listed by the military as little as 10% or
less of the actual deaths, bumping up the numbers must be a joke.  More
leaks about torture and killings, Iraqi torture and the US "looking away?"
More idiocy.  With the US sending "suspects" around the world on rendition
flights, sent to secret prisons and obvious to anyone with a brain, to
shallow graves, this Wikileak is simply another sideshow, more
"chickenfeed."

Things have already come apart in Iraq.  Why leak this now?  Regular news
stories are actually going much further than these "leaks."  It doesn't take
a rocket scientist to see the agenda here, an agenda with absolutely nothing
to do with enlightening the world.

What does it prove, any of it?  For sure, we see one thing.  Everything
leaked is carefully screened to have nothing of real value.  With Mossad
running around Mosul, operating out of Erbil, supplying and advising the
terrorist PKK, not a word is mentioned.  Instead, poor Iranians are swimming
the Euphrates with explosives strapped to their chests.

Get real.

Thousands of tons of explosives were "mislaid" in Iraq.  The US failed to
secure Saddam's weapons depots which were looted.  These stockpiles were
vast.  The idea that anyone would need to bring weapons into Iraq is insane,
simply another Israeli ploy to pre-stage an attack on Iran.  Any fool can
see this in seconds.

In fact, there are more assault rifles in Iraq than people.

While trying to blame Iran, is Wikileaks reporting the hundreds of thousands
of weapons bought by the US that simply disappeared in Iraq?  It is easier
to buy an assault rifle or RPG in Iraq than to get potato chips.  This need
to blame Iran, the idea that "secret agents" are smuggling ordnance into
Iraq, a country loaded with explosives, is insane.  Who would believe it?
The idiotic controlled press?

What will we see if we watch the stories coming out?  Where will the press
be told to manipulate the public to look?

THE LIES BEGIN.

<http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-23/pentagon-documents-show-u-s-ignore
d-torture-abuse-reports-guardian-says.html> "Iran's Training for Iraqi
Militants Outlined in Leaked Pentagon Documents"

Bloomberg and The Guardian start the ball rolling.  Imagine Iraq, a country
with the 3rd largest military force in the world, needing "trainers" from
Iran.  Iran with its elite Republican Guard and one million man army has
more people with military training that Britain, a fact The Guardian seems
oblivious to.  One minute, Iraq is building nuclear weapons and threatening
the region with SCUD missiles, the next it is having to turn to "Iranian
experts" to build pipe bombs.  Has any nation ever suffered such a case of
collective amnesia in the area of weapons technology before?

As the days pass, we can expect more and more fanciful accounts of Iranian
spies, trainers, kidnappers and terrorists, each story more sensational and
fictitious than the last.

There is a more insidious aspect to Wikileaks.  Through representing itself
as "anti-war" and "public spirited," it carries forward a globalist agenda,
promoting war, promoting regional strife, coincidentally all directly tied
to Israel's "hit list," the nations Israel openly advocates someone else
destroys.

One could easily describe Wikileaks as a Mossad PsyOp.

Thus, Wikileaks is very effective in derailing genuine dialog and meaningful
dissent.

ATTORNEY GENERAL GONZALES TOLD US TORTURE WAS GOOD FOR US

Americans proved long ago that they were immune to guilt about torture and
killing.  In fact, polls show that the more religious an American, the more
willing they are to accept brutality, and few countries are as "religious'
as America.  No other country in recent times has killed as many people as
America, even overshadowing the ethnic cleansing in Rwanda and Bosnia or the
"situation" in Israel.

As with the earlier "leak," Wikileaks has the ability to go through hundreds
of thousands of pages of documents, carefully eliminating any blackmarket
dealings, drug running or, as with Iraq, the massive corruption and theft of
oil.

There are dozens of subjects that seem to be carefully screened from any
Wikileak.  Even the Department of Defense, not so secretly, thanks Wikileaks
for holding back really embarrassing information.  "Held back" information
is, of course, blackmail.

Who is Wikileaks?

Is Wikileaks Israel?

Only Israel has the penetration of the Department of Defense that would
allow this kind of spying.  Not only can they do it, they also have so many
spies in the American chain of command, they could easily prevent it.  Who
has the facilities to gather and filter this much data?  Who would want to?

With the biggest story in Iraq the falsified intelligence on "weapons of
mass destruction," why didn't Wikileaks get us documents on this?  We know
that the military had orders to try to falsify documents showing that they
found fully operating nuclear, biological and chemical warfare facilities.
These would have made good reading along with the thousands of pages of
reports about how these stories would be fabricated.  Even the "controlled
press" wouldn't touch them although they are still out there.

The lies.

Exposing this real Iraq scandal would do some good, except for one thing,
friends of Israel inside the Pentagon were the creators of this program.  Is
this why Wikileaks dodges the real issues?  Is it because the trail for much
of what happened in Iraq heads directly to Tel Aviv?

Who even cares about Iraq this many years later?

Look at the watered down reports about American support of Al Qaeda.  The US
is blamed for accidentally helping Al Qaeda by organizing the Sons of Iraq.
In truth, the US actually reorganized the Baathists, something far worse
than the imaginary construct "Al Qaeda."  Not a word is said about this.

One of the biggest scams of the Iraq "experience" was the looting of oil
resources.  Most easily verified is the theft of oil from the Kirkuk fields
through the Kirkuk/Ceyhan pipeline, which goes to the Mediterranean through
Turkey.  Ships that load oil are shown on locator sights run by insurance
companies and even the US Coast Guard.  Their tonnage is available, how many
ships, how long.  When doing the math, how much oil is loaded compared to
how much is paid for, billions and billions of dollars of oil is missing.

When Americans were paying $4 a gallon for gas, how many knew the oil that
made the gasoline was "free" to the oil companies?  Who spit the take on
this?  Who was paid?  How much was stolen through Basra?  Were the British
involved?

Then we have Fallujah.  We are told America "carpet bombed" civilians and
"ethnically cleansed" the area, as we are now informed, for no reason.  The
version the Army told is being debunked along with the phony stories of the
"embedded" press.  Nothing on this hit Wikileaks either.

We are also noting high
<http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/10/15/38-hiroshimas-hidden-how%e2%80%99d-
the-army-do-that/>  levels of radiation there and a health crisis that can
only be described as shocking.  Where is Wikileaks on this REAL story?

There is little doubt that Wikileaks is a "sideshow' run by an intelligence
agency with dozens of agents inside the Department of Defense.  Only Israel
has this capability, having penetrated Defense to such a degree they run it
as their own.  What is the agenda of Wikileaks?  Is it revealing the truth?
If so, why is the truth censored and watered down to such a degree as to be
"non-news" as the earlier leak had been.  In fact, most stories about leaks
are simply speculation and most "leaks" are little than "chickenfeed."

The last leak was an attack on Pakistan.  Wikileaks tried to make a case for
Pakistan running the Taliban in Afghanistan.  However, the Taliban are
Pashtun and don't care much for Pakistan, they are "blood enemies."  Because
of this, Israel and India have found them useful allies against Pakistan,
the only Islamic nuclear power.  Aid of all kinds gets to the Taliban from
the Mossad and RAW, something Wikileaks worked hard to keep secret.

Real leaks by former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds proved that documents
exist showing that rendition flights were used to ferry terrorists around,
move drugs and tons of cash.  With bales of cash leaving Afghanistan every
day, why is it that not one page, not one word of any of this, things we
know are in American files, hit Wikileaks?

Why does Wikileaks spend more time hiding things than revealing them?  When
the story dies down, are the Julian Assange rape allegations going to be
dragged out again to give the story more play?  Last time they "double
dipped" on that one, first charges, then no charges, then charges.  It was
like a badly written "soap opera."  We have just received reports of Julian
Assange fleeing Pentagon death squads.  We are told he has virtually
disappeared off the face of the planet.  We also have a schedule of public
appearances and interviews for Assange, who will mysteriously re-materialize
when needed.  Ah, to have powers such as those.

What about this new "leak?"

This one may be aimed at Iran.

Anyone surprised or shocked to find that Iraqi security forces killed or
tortured people is living on their own private planet.  These were Saddam's
killers and torturers first.  Then they became ours.  What do killers and
torturers do?

There was one reason for the invasion of Iraq with all the lies, all the
killing, all the corruption.  Israel wanted Iraq destroyed.  Will Wikileaks
ever get to something real?

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