[PAA-Discuss] The propaganda against the Wiki leaks

[Ron and Kris Graham]

Once again, Zhaleh, my comments in red below yours.

 

Kris

 

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From: Zhaleh [mailto:zch6402 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 1:45 PM
To: 'PAA'; graham2639 at mindspring.com
Subject: RE: [PAA-Discuss] The propaganda against the Wiki leaks

 


Sorry everyone for allowing myself to go out of my way for the first time
and at your presence to go over what i think of Kris behavior in the back of
my mind.............  My behavior is of no concern to you, Zhaleh. There is
nothing wrong with my behavior unless you consider questioning something
(Wikileaks, Assange) as aberrant behavior or calling you out on the lies you
wrote about me.

You heard me all Kris and no need to go over your psycho-narcissistic
account of what i have said  What? Am I to allow you to spread lies about
things I have not said or asserted, Zhaleh? You don't get away with that.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with "psycho-narcissism" whatever that is
when my terms are going to be judged for themselves and on the top of it you
know that i no longer even care about what you say abut politics  Evidently
you do care, Zhaleh or you wouldn't be replying to my last e-mail, but i
have to make three points to only clarify my moral position to you to help
you help your miserable angry white trash mentality to rest and
change...........  First of all, Zhaleh, FUCK YOU AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN
ON. DON'T YOU EVER, EVER CALL ME WHITE TRASH AGAIN OR I WILL HAND YOUR ASS
TO YOU. GOT ME? Just because I don't happen to agree with everything your
dogmatic ass says does NOT make me white trash. You are a racist, a bully,
and a judgmental bitter woman, Zhaleh. How does it feel to be called names?
It doesn't feel good, does it? Perhaps if you weren't so angry all the time
you wouldn't have the physical problems you have, Zhaleh. You claim I am
angry white trash. Perhaps you should look in the mirror, Zhaleh and realize
who the angry female is. Generally, those things we despise in other people
can be witnessed to a certain degree in ourselves. I am the first to admit
it. What I will not tolerate is you judging me and calling me white trash.
That's about the sorriest thing you have ever said to me, and you've called
me that more than once. I'm sick of it, so you had better lay off. Argue
with me or debate me but DO NOT call me names! Also, do not take it upon
yourself to try and change me. Change comes from within, Zhaleh. Figure it
out.

first,i will never become an American when my heart and mind does not belong
to this country or any other countries,but the world as a whole,no matter if
i live here for million years.........especially when i fully see the effect
of its corrupt culture that wrongfully produces the white trashes as you who
always stand on the wrong side of history There you go again with the name
calling, Zhaleh. Is that all you've got to your case?! If it is then you
don't have a case to make. And guess what, sister? If you are paying taxes
through your employer directly into the system thereby giving your CONSENT
to the U.S. government to repress, torture and kill people then you are as
guilty as any one of us whose tax dollars do the same. If you are
contributing to the U.S. government/military meat grinder through your tax
dollars, then you are as complicit as any one of us who were born in
America, so stop with the crap, Zhaleh because I don't buy it. Perhaps if
you tell yourself enough times that you are not to blame for everything
going on in YOUR NAME and every other taxpayers' name you will believe your
own con...........i thought you were over with blaming blacks for all the
problems that this country has or wanted your government to monitor the
borders to prevent Mexican immigrants entering your land  I don't blame
blacks and immigrants for anything, Zhaleh. I have grown and moved beyond
that wrong headed thinking. Once again, you are saying things and
attributing things to me that I have not said or written. You know what
happens when you assume something, Zhaleh? You make an ASS out of U and ME.
Stop doing that ............and now you are resenting me for living here and
not considering myself an American? I did not say I resented you for living
here, Zhaleh and not calling yourself an American. YOU SAID THAT. Are you
deluded? Are you on medication? I don't think you are lucid, but if you are,
then you are making stuff up that I never said and attributing things to me
that I have not written or said and that is wrong, Zhaleh. Are you an agent
provocateur because you sure act like one? Or are you just a mean spirited,
authoritarian dogmatic woman who believes that Trotskyist communism is the
only way to go and everybody who doesn't think like you is an idiot who
spouts rubbish as you like to say all the time?

Let me wholeheartedly tell you this...........that your country will always
stand as the last resort to identify myself with,for producing the most
unreasonable,selfish,and back-warded people of all time  That is your
opinion only, Zhaleh and if you despise this country so much why in the hell
don't you move back to Iran or go to Canada where your brother lives? Nobody
is forcing you to live here, Zhaleh...........as you who make the face of
politics in this country embarrassing  Wow, Zhaleh, it sounds to me like
your ego is bruised and you are lashing out at me with absolutely NO LEG TO
STAND ON! Argue the facts. Argue the merits of what I have to say. Debate
me. But DO NOT make suppositions about me, and do not call me names because
that tells me you have no legitimate counter to what I have said in my prior
e-mails..............you have sat at your house for whole your life,never
worked and do not even know from close how people are dealing with their
every day problems  Once again, you are making unfounded remarks, Zhaleh,
and you have no idea what in the hell you are talking about. I worked for
many years before my children were born and after I split up with their
father, I was a single working mother making very little money. I also
worked for quite a while when I moved to Houston. So, shut the fuck up and
stop making stupid ass remarks based on knowing absolutely nothing about me,
my history or anything else. ...........and this is your problem.  I don't
have a problem, Zhaleh. You seem to have a big problem, though with lashing
out at me and calling me names but not refuting a single thing I said in
prior e-mails. You also seem to have a problem with people who question the
status quo and call into question the motives of certain people and certain
information.......having too much time spent on your disgusting language rnd
accusations  I express myself as I damned well please, Zhaleh. Who are you
to judge how I express myself? You are the one accusing me of saying things
I did not say, so that makes you a liar, and I will call you out on your
lies every single time you say or write them especially when it concerns
me...........second for the sake of truth and transparency do not even waist
one moment of my time to tell me what Robert think of Iranians and our
murderer regime  I am sure Robert can speak for himself as he usually does.
I merely mentioned that he and have talked on a number of occasions about
various things including Iran.............for i had numerous talks and
discussions about this issue with him that there is no need to retell them
to you..........only Robert himself or others who heard it must try to
remember hem all..............

And third, one another problem with you  Once again, I don't have a problem.
You are saying I have a problem. I can figure out if I have a problem or
not, Zhaleh. I don't need you to tell me I have one. Look in the mirror long
and hard first, Zhaleh and see if you can figure out who is staring back at
you ,is that you forget who you are and where you are coming from I know
EXACTLY who I am, Zhaleh. Who are YOU? I come from a place of brutal
honesty, Zhaleh. I also know I am fallible and make mistakes, but I am
always willing to learn and try to open my mind and heart to different ways
of thinking. You have no idea where I have been or where I am at this point
in my life or where I am going. You don't know me at all, Zhaleh. You like
to think you do, but once again, that is your arrogance coming out,but
concerning my narrow -mindedness and being a dogmatic communist  Are you
saying you are not a dyed-in-the-wool Trotskyist communist that believes
every other form of communism is wrong and that anarchism is a ridiculous,
idealistic bunch of nonsense? Do tell and please, be honest.........in your
surprise i am one of those people that do fully knows what she wants.
Wonderful, Zhaleh. Always KNOW THYSELF.........the first rule in political
activities is to be able to target the goal and that is true that when i was
always a communist,you were a white trash Republican  There's that name
calling again, Zhaleh. It's really getting old and wearing mighty thin,then
a Democrat,Green party,Socialist,Anarchist,spiritual,non
spiritual,revolutionary with gun,revolutionary without gun and let me think
what else  Am I not allowed to try different political parties and explore
different systems and non systems and ways of thinking? I thought that was
growth, Zhaleh. Evidently, you have something against people trying to learn
and grow and change their minds however many times they want to change them.
Am I to be trapped into a particular mold and way of thinking? Am I not
allowed to grow, learn and change my mind? Who do you think you are to infer
that I am not allowed to do those things? Your attitude is dictatorial,
Zhaleh............i think that would be enough,but regardless of what i have
always been,i never preached non- claimed communists what they should be or
take their democratic rights away from them or accuse them of something that
i can not prove...........but i know that i have always been a sensitive
ethical-centered mentality and i am proud to live my life with dignity and
free of guilt  How nice for you, Zhaleh that you can pay your tax dollars
into this capitalistic, imperialistic system knowing those dollars go
directly to arming Israel and other countries and killing innocent people
all without feeling a shred of guilt. A psychologist would have a field day
with you.............i help everyone when i can and join other activities
beside my interests with no prejudice  That's good, Zhaleh. Do whatever it
takes to assuage that guilty conscience. I don't begrudge anyone helping her
fellow man/woman. Everyone should do that. Just don't break your arm patting
yourself on the back because a lot of people help their fellow man and even
other living creatures on this planet............when the term of our
principles,not line.do allow me so........... i consciously crticize/ed the
wrong application of socialism in practice...........and i never became
immune to wrong doing or defending the indefensible.......... and those of
you who know me well,do not throw their conscious away to call me dogmatic
or whatever rubbish you have said.  You appear dogmatic, Zhaleh because you
absolutely refuse to even consider that anarchism or some hybrid version of
anarchism/socialism might be a better organic way of living than your
Trotskyist communism...........well i am done with you Kris  That is your
prerogative, Zhaleh, but when you address an e-mail to me with lies about
things I have not asserted or written, then you can expect I am not going to
allow you to get away with it.......you are welcome to wine as always  the
word is "whine", Zhaleh, and I am not whining. I am simply calling you out
on your lies, name calling and your stubborn dogmatism,and i will always be
here to only voice out my rejections on my own term and principles that i am
concerned about..........but you.............should try to be truthful to
yourself I always try to be truthful to myself, Zhaleh  .......and beside
knowing who the Wikileaks is,find whooooooooooooooo, youuuuuuuuuuuu want to
be.................  What's with the whooooooooooooooo, youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
business, Zhaleh? If a person stops growing and changing, Zhaleh then he or
she stagnates. I wonder if anybody really knows who he or she is even at the
end of a life. Our perceptions change as we age. Our attitudes change, too.
Our worldview changes, as well, as we learn more. You seem inclined to stop
growing, and stop changing, Zhaleh. Change is scary but necessary. I am well
within my rights to question who Wikileaks is and who they represent. I am
also well within my rights to question who Julian Assange is or anybody
else. Why do you look down on me for that? Why do you resort to calling me
white trash over and over again? You don't like it when I hit back and throw
some names your way, do you? Think about it, Zhaleh. If you choose to engage
me in the future then engage me with facts or debate the issues. DO NOT
throw names my way, or I will throw them back tenfold. If you want to engage
me with civility, then do so. If you want to get down in the mud with me and
act like heathens, then down in the mud we'll go. You choose. I am game for
whatever.


Zhaleh

class="yiv1382734849yiv1888229259body">The historic ascent of humanity,
taken as a whole, may be summarized as a succession of victories of
consciousness over blind forces - in nature, in society, in man himself. 



The historic ascent of humanity, taken as a whole, may be summarized as a
succession of victories of consciousness over blind forces - in nature, in
society, in man himself. 

Leon Trotsky



--- On Sun, 12/5/10, Ron and Kris Graham <graham2639 at mindspring.com> wrote:


From: Ron and Kris Graham <graham2639 at mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: [PAA-Discuss] The propaganda against the Wiki leaks
To: "Zhaleh" <zch6402 at yahoo.com>, "'PAA'" <discuss at paa-tx.org>
Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 1:54 AM

I don't know why I did not receive your e-mail, Zhaleh, as the e-mail was
addressed to me, but suffice it to say, I received your e-mail from a friend
and am replying to it. My comments in red are below your comments.

 

Kris

 

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From: discuss-bounces at paa-tx.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at paa-tx.org] On
Behalf Of Zhaleh
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 3:13 PM
To: PAA
Subject: [PAA-Discuss] The propaganda against the Wiki leaks


Kris, My time is very limited, but I should go through some stuff with
you....first,I as one participate in politics simply far different from you
what that means and what difference it makes is beyond me,
Zhaleh............therefore you are welcome to label yourself a coward, but
not me if you are paying taxes into this corrupt and illegal system then you
are complicit, Zhaleh just as we all are who pay into the system and
continue supporting it. This makes us all cowards INCLUDING YOU........I
delivered my responsibility in every step of my life everywhere I resided,
including where I was born as much as possible just as many people do,
Zhaleh, so don't feel like the Lone Ranger...may be you or Robert had to
come and go to the bloody jails in Iran instead of all of us Why do you say
that, Zhaleh? I am not cheerleading for the Iranian government.... not to
undermine or minimize what Iranians are going through since 70 years ago
that should wholeheartedly be condemned equally the same as the regime of
the united states, no less no more, equally the same, if we want to be fair
and principled Once again, I reiterate, I am NOT cheerleading for the
Iranian government. I am saying that the Wikileaks are benefiting Israel by
showing certain Arab heads of state are "concerned" about a nuclear Iran .
Evidently, the Arab PEOPLE according to a recent poll conducted this past
summer are much more concerned about a nuclear ISRAEL and a nuclear UNITED
STATES. Did you not read the poll information, Zhaleh??....

 

My country is diminishing by the lack of basic democracy and human rights
and no less than the American government is guilty of crimes against the
whole humanity in peril Tell me something I don't already know, and all of
the class collaborationist,including the Socialist Equality Party, the
Workers World, the ISO,and the SWP which come to my mind at this time I have
come to the conclusion that ANY political party EVEN your Fifth
International is a class collaborationist and useless as tits on a boar if
one class of people EVEN working people are heads of government. This is
because ONLY the workers considered MORE EDUCATED get to lead the government
as if the people themselves don't have sense enough to figure out their own
lives. Give me a break, Zhaleh. , if can not do anything good to the
Iranians, would be better to choose silence, for all my revolutionary
internationalist friends no further can  consider you all the conscious
hearts or minds ONLY the Iranian people can free themselves from their
slavery just as only WE can free ourselves from slavery, Zhaleh. Perhaps our
conscious hearts and minds should consider freeing ourselves before we jump
on the bandwagon of trying to free other enslaved people...  your theses
have come out so unclean, negligent and complicit hand in hand with the
criminal Islamic regime of Iran so far I call BULLSHIT on that, Zhaleh. You
just uttered an out and out LIE and I am calling you on it.... for when it
goes to the human rights and killing people in many ways and all around the
world, then considering the less evil is a crime and accomplice itself I
have ALWAYS said there is no such thing as lesser evil. Evil is evil if you
want to wax biblical which is strange for an atheist such as yourself. Where
in the hell have you been?!. If you weren't still so angry with me for
questioning things like the pros and cons of socialism, anarchism, and
communism perhaps you would've taken the time to read some of my posts to
the discussion list where I talked about the above.


 

I have no idea from what window I should talk to you or Robert about the
principles of Marxism You don't need to talk to me about the principles of
anything, Zhaleh. I am perfectly capable of finding out that information for
myself, so don't trouble yourself, because you do not know anything about it
at all, but in one paragraph, I should say that the real and genuine
Marxists have always had a two fold propaganda and agitations against all
criminal regimes, and when... it is the matter of the life or the death,
then the USA, Israel, Iran and all other capitalists are equally the same
and murderer No kidding. I've been saying that recently.. Blood is blood,
rivered in Israel , Iran , and anywhere else..... I am the one who told YOU,
Zhaleh in my prior e-mail that we all bleed the same red blood no matter
where we live.

 

 The Nuclear proliferations should come as clean as an international applied
perspective, therefore till then as a right for the Iranian people, I fully
support that for every economic and security measures that it could bring to
the Iranians I already said in a prior e-mail that if Iran DID have a
nuclear weapon then who cares? I listed several countries that have them.
One would expect Iran to have one and try to protect itself from insane
regimes that wish to do it harm. If the PEOPLE of Iran want nuclear
facilities for power in their country that is their right but ONLY if ALL
the people in the country want that. Majority rule is NOT democratic by any
stretch of the imagination. There are better ways to get power than
nuclear....no matter what regime is ruling in Iran - but beside that there
is absolutely nothing in Iran and here to defend as a person of conscious  I
never tried to defend Iran, Zhaleh. Where are you getting that? You must be
hallucinating. that we expect you to be and I should tell you very frankly
that I think the theses that you or Robert are promoting here are very
reactionary in essence WHY?! Because we question the Wikileaks and what they
are and who Julian Assange is and what his angle is?! If those questions are
reactionary then great!! I am a proud reactionary! Perhaps you should
question more instead of lapping up the Wikileaks like a hungry dog and for
long I discontinued to read them as many of us has done the same Well, bully
for you, Zhaleh, that is your right if you want to discontinue reading my
threads. It's no skin off my nose and believe me, I don't lose one minute of
sleep over that news....and simply I should say that the Iranians do not
need you and on the top of it, do not need the American government to come
and free Iranians for themselves.  I never said the Iranians needed me or
anybody else to "free themselves". Only the people of a country can free
themselves from slavery. Good grief! Don't you read a word I write? Oh yeah,
you don't. You said that. You like to assume things about what I think. How
can you do that, Zhaleh since you are not me and definitely not inside my
head? 

 

Iranians remember 1953 very clearly, on the other hand why the American
government should change the Iranian government, when they planted it there
themselves in the first place? The U.S. government "planted" the Shah into
power as you already know, Zhaleh. They probably want to oust Ahmadinejad
because they want a puppet that they can control, Zhaleh. That's pretty
obvious. Of course, it's the mullahs that run Iran , so ousting Ahmadinejad
wouldn't do much unless the CIA/Mossad took out Ayatollah Khameini. Who can
be more anti communist as much as the USA and the Iranian regime and Robert
themselves?  Perhaps Robert doesn't believe in STATE RUN COMMUNISM, Zhaleh.
There are other forms of communism like ANARCHO-COMMUNISM. Don't you see
that the Shah and the Islamic regime of Iran both served American desires
for Iran for years? Of course I know that, dear.

 

 There is a methodology beneath everything we say and do....you can all
embarrass yourselves by your stance against the Iranian people We are not
against the Iranian people, Zhaleh. There you go again making FALSE
ACCUSATIONS WHICH HAVE NO BASIS! or accusing the Wiki leaks of being an
Israeli front We are QUESTIONING Wikileaks because ABSOLUTELY NOTHING has
come out in them condemning Israel and their murderous policies and their
influence and spying within the US government. Try questioning things
sometime, Zhaleh. It really helps clear the cobwebs from one's mind and
helps one think clearly, simply because so far they could only accessed the
materials concerning the USA government not Israel, but hey.... there are
many things wrong with the whole world also .Wiki did not find any links to
five other continents yet/also.... Maybe they will. One can only hope.
There's that word we've been hearing so much about.

 

It is good to be known that how bloody the role of Iran has been in the
Afghanistan and Iraq in steering up the problems between the Sonnies and
Shias....that should be brothers...it is good to know that how dirty the
role of the Iranian regime has been in changing the Saddam Hussein and it is
good to know that who is urging the USA to attack Iran, apparently one of
them is their fellow Muslim regime/regimes  Is this some surprise to you,
Zhaleh that the PUPPET LEADERS in Arab countries are calling for the bombing
or neutralization of Iran? If these so called leaders want to do business
with the United States then they have to tow the line, don't they?? This is
no great revelation except to people who aren't paying attention or don't
care enough or have the means to try and tease through the bullshit that the
MSM spews out daily and find out some semblance of the truth.....don't you
think if Your country had any problems with Iran, before going to go to
Iraq, was going to Boucher Iranians first? The United States military
wouldn't dare bomb Iran unless they were nuts enough to open a Pandora's Box
which would lead to the closing of the Straits of Hormuz and the stoppage of
the oil flow not to mention the million plus army in Iran butchering every
single American and allied soldier that they could and basically starting WW
III. They decided to obliterate a smaller country whose people had already
been decimated by 10 years of economic sanctions and two Gulf Wars. The
United States is a cowardly, bully nation. Haven't you noticed that the U.S.
military acting on orders from the U.S. government has not bombed North
Korea into the Stone Age? We haven't bombed China . We haven't bombed Russia
. This is because the United States government KNOWS it would either get
this country nuked right back or this country would get its ass handed to it
by a coalition of other countries that are tired of being fucked with and
maybe even want to be the NEW DICTATORS on the block.

 

In addition, i should tell you also that I do not and will not care in
million years if Wiki does not talk about the Israel  Whatever, Zhaleh.
Evidently, you don't really care about the 60+ years of terrorism and
genocide dished out by the Israelis toward the true Semitic people in
Palestine and the people in Lebanon....because the master.... is the USA
So, we should just forget about Israel and focus on the United States . How
convenient for Israel , Zhaleh. You play right into their hands......Israel
has the capability to continue its crimes, because of the support it takes
from your government  DO YOU PAY TAXES TO THIS GOVERNMENT, ZHALEH?!!! If you
do then you are complicit in what YOUR government does in YOUR name and with
YOUR money!! Didn't you move here back in the 1980s?? How convenient for
your conscience that you can work here, buy things here, live here and still
claim the U.S. government is somebody else's government and not yours. You
are a hypocrite of the first order, Zhaleh and I'm calling you on that. Now,
if you get paid CASH UNDER THE TABLE and pay no taxes whatsoever and do not
buy one thing here in America and in no way contribute to this capitalist
system, then you are lily white and innocent as a newborn baby, Zhaleh. I
highly doubt that, though, so stop with all this bullshit about how the U.S.
government is not your government. It is everybody's government that pays
into it!!! and all the bourgeois nationalist capitalist Palestinians or such
would love not to attack America politically  I have bitched about this,
too, Zhaleh. They won't say anything bad about the United States because
they just might get deported back to Palestine or what's left of it and then
they wouldn't be able to make all the money they make and buy all the fancy
shit they buy, but only concentrate their attacks on the Israel  That's the
safe route, not isn't it? However, Israel is doing the killing of the
Palestinians albeit with OUR MONEY and the WMD the U.S. Military complex
gives them. So, both shitty nation states are equally to blame.....this is a
shame, to ignore the source of the problems  Christ almighty damn, Zhaleh!
No one is ignoring the source. Get off it already!.....it is easier to
condemn the petty things around  What's "petty" about Israel killing people
and repressing people and stealing land and natural resources for the last
60+ years? and let the big brothers go clean....we are used to seeing this
methodology to confuses people more....like arresting the ordinary miserable
people with less than one gram of drugs and let the cartels go free  I agree
with that. White collar criminals go scot free while people who enjoy
smoking a little weed go to prison for the rest of their lives. It's all
bullshit meant to imprison and enslave mostly young men of color who just
might get sick and tired of being repressed and enslaved and rise up against
the mother fuckers who are doing the repressing and enslaving. How
convenient for the U.S. government that they are locked up tight in prisons.
We haven't even touched on the money that the Corrections Corporation of
America is making with all these locked up prisoners and new prisons being
built. Look 'em up and learn something......well it seems that this has
become a political life style for some.....

 

True revolutionaries should see further than these  People can be true
revolutionaries in many ways, Zhaleh. Opening one's mind to a different way
of thinking is revolutionary in and of itself. One doesn't need to pick up a
gun to be a revolutionary. There are many ways to start a revolution.....on
the other hand the Israelis government that you are talking about is much
more sophisticated than what you think to let its classified documents leak
to the outside world....isn't it?  What classified documents? Stating what
exactly? Nobody said the Israeli government wasn't sophisticated. The
Israelis are murderous and conniving bastards who will stop at nothing to
get what they want. If they want something "leaked" then it will be leaked,
Zhaleh. In this case, making the Israeli case for war with Iran seems to be
the objective.

 

My question is that what are you afraid of? I'm more afraid of people like
you who are so dogmatic that you can't see anybody else's point of view
except your own. This clouds the mind, does it not, Zhaleh? You believe so
staunchly in communism by way of state run socialism even by the workers
that you won't even take into consideration that maybe people don't need or
want a government or nanny state to take care of them and tell them what to
do, when to do it, how to do it and where to do it. That the USA has come
unclean alone or people are that stupid not to know that the Israel is a
bloody Israel because of the immense support it takes from your country?
Hopefully, people are waking up to this fact but they are not waking up on
account of the bought and paid for MSM which won't say one single word in
condemnation of Israel Which one of the above? On the other hand those who
stand against killing children and wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, for sure DO
NOT support it in Palestine also...remember that the role the Wiki is
playing is not about  analyzing the current politics, but to access the
links to them primarily .....

 

What I do like the most in what the wiki leaks is doing, is not the leaked
information at all, though that would be very necessary for the ordinary
people to see with facts that what America, the land of democracy is doing
to them  These leaks aren't showing Americans what American "democracy" is
doing to them. The leaks are showing how arrogant and stupid the United
States government is, but if the American people are not reading the
Wikileaks word for word and are getting their information from the MSM, then
they're not getting the whole story, are they?, but let alone the ability to
show how fragile the capitalism/imperialism really can be, and how from
within as one of the rules of the Dialectical Materialism, will be prone to
collapse.. as simple as that..........when the time for the people's
revolutionary upsurge will come.....  Well, we shall see if an international
revolutionary upsurge comes, won't we? If another government is put into
place to replace the one that falls apart (assuming it does) then nothing
will have been solved. 

Zhaleh

 

 

The historic ascent of humanity, taken as a whole, may be summarized as a
succession of victories of consciousness over blind forces - in nature, in
society, in man himself. 

Leon Trotsky

 

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