KPFT programmer

Submitted by PAAMember on January 4, 2006 - 3:00pm. ::

If the Pacifica Foundation is a tax-exempt, not-for-profit educational institution, isn't that
status dependant on KPFT not being associated with anything that looks, sounds or smells like
commercial advertising?

If that's the case then isn't Brother Robert Mohamed endagering that status by promoting
commercial enterprises on his radio program?

I don't object to him telling African-American Houstonians to take their business to
minority-owned businesses. But that's not where he stops. He specifically mentions the name of the
business and often gives the phone number and address of that business.

How is that different from commercial advertising?
Sounds like a commercial advertisment to me.

If he wants to advertise his friend's commercial businesses, shouldn't he take that to a
commercial radio station?

Randy

Randy Scott - 713-683-9531
Draftsman/Mechanical Designer
Houston Tx


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Submitted by PAAMember on January 5, 2006 - 10:01am.

I am not a lawyer or familiar with case law in regards to non profit radio and mentioning businessess favorably but I think it depends on the context and the number of times it happens. IF a program begins to make it routine to name , lets say , minority owned businessess and advocate for their listeners to patronize them over other, white owned businessess then that is racism, adverising and hard to prove that money didn't change hands.

john


Submitted by PAAMember on January 6, 2006 - 4:00am.

I think the words to think of here is to "avoid the appearance of impropriety".

On 1/5/06, john perdue <escramble('jnhoj','earthlink.net');">
> wrote:

I am not a lawyer or familiar with case law in regards to non profit radio and mentioning businessess favorably but I think it depends on the context and the number of times it happens.  IF a program begins to make it routine to name , lets say , minority owned businessess and advocate for their listeners to patronize them over other, white owned businessess then that is racism, adverising and hard to prove that money didn't change hands.


john

-----Original Message-----
>From: Katie <escramble('keh1022','yahoo.com');">>
>Sent: Jan 5, 2006 7:47 AM
>To: john perdue <escramble('jnhoj','earthlink.net');">
>, S Gonzales <escramble('macdoggie02','yahoo.com');">>, Randy Scott <escramble('rscott77070','yahoo.com');">>, PAA discuss <escramble('discuss','paa-tx.org');">
>, Ernesto Aquilar <escramble('ernesto','kpft.org');">>, Duane Bradley <escramble('dbradley','kpft.org');">>
>Cc: Pokey Anderson <escramble('pokeyink','aol.com');">
>, Glenn Urbach <escramble('theotherside','kpft.org');">>
>Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] KPFT programmer
>
>It's important that we remain vigilant with our community radio station, keeping it in top form and making sure it stays true to its vision. A programmer or volunteer reporter is made to sign a payola agreement with the station, meaning no programmer can take money from a business for their endorsements. I can't speak to what the original email talked about because I wasn't listening at that second, but I think an individual preference is an acceptable thing to plug, as long as said person isn't compensated for their mentioning it. Advertising implies compensation. While it might be boring to listen to someone ramble on about their favorite store or restaurant, I'm not sure it's ethically or legally compromising. Besides, how do we as a community let each other know about gems like Corazon or The Breakfast Klub or the like? Isn't it akin to mentioning a favorite park or museum?

>
>  -Katie
>
>john perdue <escramble('jnhoj','earthlink.net');">> wrote:
>  I once heard a Go Vegan show where the guest was talking about how Whole Foods sold animal products from farms where the animals where mistreated and that the store would not tolerate any type of protest against this. In other words the Whole Foods Store was put in a very bad light, not exactly promoted I would say. The point Randy made was that businesses were being named and promoted in competition with other businessess. I don't agree with that. It's not what KPFT was intended for. It was supposed to be a news outlet and a source of entertainment second. It is advertising and it could become a problem. I also think that if dissension is good for our country then it is good for our listener sponsored radio station. I am not of a mind that a person is just causing trouble when they complain about certain aspects of the way KPFT is being run.

>
>john
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: S Gonzales
>>Sent: Jan 4, 2006 8:57 PM
>>To: john perdue , Randy Scott , PAA discuss , Ernesto Aquilar , Duane Bradley
>>Cc: Pokey Anderson

>, Glenn Urbach
>>Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] KPFT programmer
>>
>>IMHO (my humble opinion) is this... for what its
>>worth, no flames please.
>>
>>IMHO, the issue is with paid advertising tainting and

>>ultimately influencing our amazing KPFT radio station.
>>You know the drill, corporations begin sponsoring /
>>supporting a media outlet and before you know it, the
>>media outlet is forced to drown out voices that may

>>challenge the establishment. I know I'm preaching to
>>the choir here.
>>
>>However, how in the world are you going to keep show
>>hosts from mentioning / recommending things to

>>listeners? Consider the fact that Whole Foods has been
>>sponsoring vegan cooking classes, etc... are we not
>>allowed to advertise for those either? where do you
>>draw the line on this?

>>
>>just playing devil's advocate here.
>>thx for listening....
>>
>>and for the KPFT folks - you are amazing! A sincere
>>thanks for your efforts...
>>

>>
>>
>>__________________________________________
>>Yahoo! DSL


Submitted by PAAMember on January 5, 2006 - 9:00am.

I once heard a Go Vegan show where the guest was talking about how Whole Foods sold animal products from farms where the animals where mistreated and that the store would not tolerate any type of protest against this. In other words the Whole Foods Store was put in a very bad light, not exactly promoted I would say. The point Randy made was that businesses were being named and promoted in competition with other businessess. I don't agree with that. It's not what KPFT was intended for. It was supposed to be a news outlet and a source of entertainment second. It is advertising and it could become a problem. I also think that if dissension is good for our country then it is good for our listener sponsored radio station. I am not of a mind that a person is just causing trouble when they complain about certain aspects of the way KPFT is being run.

john


Submitted by PAAMember on January 5, 2006 - 9:00am.

It's important that we remain vigilant with our community radio station, keeping it in top form and making sure it stays true to its vision. A programmer or volunteer reporter is made to sign a payola agreement with the station, meaning no programmer can take money from a business for their endorsements. I can't speak to what the original email talked about because I wasn't listening at that second, but I think an individual preference is an acceptable thing to plug, as long as said person isn't compensated for their mentioning it. Advertising implies compensation. While it might be boring to listen to someone ramble on about their favorite store or restaurant, I'm not sure it's ethically or legally compromising. Besides, how do we as a community let each other know about gems like Corazon or The Breakfast Klub or the like? Isn't it akin to mentioning a favorite park or museum?
 
-Katie

john perdue <>
wrote:
I once heard a Go Vegan show where the guest was talking about how Whole Foods sold animal products from farms where the animals where mistreated and that the store would not tolerate any type of protest against this. In other words the Whole Foods Store was put in a very bad light, not exactly promoted I would say. The point Randy made was that businesses were being named and promoted in competition with other businessess. I don't agree with that. It's not what KPFT was intended for. It was supposed to be a news outlet and a source of entertainment second. It is advertising and it could become a problem. I also think that if dissension is good for our country then it is good for our listener sponsored radio station. I am not of a mind that a person is just causing trouble when they complain about certain aspects of the way KPFT is being run.


john

-----Original Message-----
>From: S Gonzales <>
>Sent: Jan 4, 2006 8:57 PM
>To: john perdue <>, Randy Scott <>, PAA discuss <>, Ernesto Aquilar <>, Duane Bradley <>
>Cc: Pokey Anderson <>, Glenn Urbach <>
>Subject: Re: [PAA-Discuss] KPFT programmer
>
>IMHO (my humble opinion) is this... for what its
>worth, no flames please.
>
>IMHO, the issue is with paid advertising tainting and
>ultimately influencing our amazing KPFT radio station.
>You know the drill, corporations begin sponsoring /
>supporting a media outlet and before you know it, the
>media outlet is forced to drown out voices that may
>challenge the establishment. I know I'm preaching to
>the choir here.
>
>However, how in the world are you going to
keep show
>hosts from mentioning / recommending things to
>listeners? Consider the fact that Whole Foods has been
>sponsoring vegan cooking classes, etc... are we not
>allowed to advertise for those either? where do you
>draw the line on this?
>
>just playing devil's advocate here.
>thx for listening....
>
>and for the KPFT folks - you are amazing! A sincere
>thanks for your efforts...
>
>
>
>__________________________________________
>Yahoo! DSL


Submitted by PAAMember on January 4, 2006 - 10:00pm.

Yes, of course he should and I have noticed this also. More changes. Whatever.
john


Submitted by PAAMember on January 4, 2006 - 11:00pm.

IMHO (my humble opinion) is this... for what its
worth, no flames please.

IMHO, the issue is with paid advertising tainting and
ultimately influencing our amazing KPFT radio station.
You know the drill, corporations begin sponsoring /
supporting a media outlet and before you know it, the
media outlet is forced to drown out voices that may
challenge the establishment. I know I'm preaching to
the choir here.

However, how in the world are you going to keep show
hosts from mentioning / recommending things to
listeners? Consider the fact that Whole Foods has been
sponsoring vegan cooking classes, etc... are we not
allowed to advertise for those either? where do you
draw the line on this?

just playing devil's advocate here.
thx for listening....

and for the KPFT folks - you are amazing! A sincere
thanks for your efforts...

__________________________________________
Yahoo! DSL