[kpft / racism?/ ads for friends?] Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8

Submitted by PAAMember on January 6, 2006 - 4:00am. ::



[kpft / racism?/ ads for friends?] Re: Discuss Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8


Wow - I may have missed something, but since when did PAA spend its time so much on KPFT concerns?

If this is a real concern, maybe you should be writing or calling Dwayne or Ernesto or filling in programming assessments online - as they have for this purpose - at KPFT / www.kpft.org



I agree there is a fine line sometimes between some of this. There are a number of shows doing this sort of thing - in fact all the "black" talk shows have mentioned particular black owned businesses by name to my knowledge. Which I think is fine as long as it is many and not just one.



There has been the Vegan cooking classes hosted at Whole Foods, as mentioned. For which one pays to go to a programmer of KPFT. . . but this is not mentioned on air - and is listed on the website/emails.

And then there was concern from Janice about what was NOT disclosed on air from someone who had an Open Journal about toxins, promoting her workshops in part - but Janice was concerned that people did not know she also was selling water for one particular company through the workshops. I personally did not see a conflict. I personally felt it was a bit heavy sell for me, but the woman in question does not say she has credentials, says it is based on her own illness and recovery, and is passionate about why she promotes the particular product. Since it was not told on air, and anyone going to the woman's website would see the info if they check..

Selling is annoying, but we pay to get massages, chiro, and all sort of health services that a person who is a healer does not donate. We hear these people on kpft regularly, including one who "donated" a discounted service in exchange for pledges last drive.

It really goes too far both ways sometimes.

We can not mention the suggested donation in dollars for a charity event. We can ask for items to be new [purchased] aand donated. The station of course can request money, offer premiums for sppecific amounts, and give thanks to companies that bring by food, etc. during pledge drives.



I could be wrong, but my understanding is there is not supposed to be any mention of money, cost, etc.

I am not sure we are supposed to hear favorable opinions - but we do hear bad ones if it is news...

We have had movie reviews. Wonder if restaurant critiques are in line?



Without the money, we are able to make all sorts of positive comments, but I know on GreenWatch [HMS cable] we were warned about showing a BOOK! We had a Galveston author on talking about a book on her record of the history of blacks and early "non-segregation" in Galveston. They did not want us to show the book, even though we did not talk about the price or where to buy it!



As for the comment about racism - I suggest you check the definition of this word. Nobody has ever been heard to my knowledge on air to say anything telling people that could be construed this way - and we are supposed to be living in a country with free enterprise - meaning one can shop where they like.

They are not keeping you from shopping where you like. They are not stopping anyone form having a business.

And have you looked around to see how black business were closed down by white gentrification, white flight, white take-overs of property - and then they move away businesses, so there is not even a grocery store within the areas most blacks are living. If there are, they are over-priced compared to similar stores elsewhere - and usually have lower quality goods.



I am not just talking about Houston either. I have seen this in NY and NJ. Where I lived in NJ, many people with less money - myself included when I could not yet afford a car, had to walk 2 miles to a grocery and a laundry at one point. You would walk to get there, and then taxi it all home if you could [uphill for me]. You did not shop more than once a week. It was hard to afford the taxi, but nearby was only corner 'bodegas'.

For me it was 2 miles, but I talked to many blacks who could not afford my neighborhood and came from much further - plus it being predominantly 2 family homes of Portugese living in half/renting half - they probably would not rent to them at the time. Just a few apartment buildings in the fringe area.



Back to racism - has something to do with power over another race - not just feelings. . .

If we can boycott Wal-Mart, Coke, etc - hopefully to be change agents - why shouldn't groups of minority cultures show self-determination by supporting their own businesses? I did not hear any of them say whites could not shop there.
What is really ticking you off???



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Submitted by PAAMember on January 6, 2006 - 9:01am.

Oh please> Nothing is ticking me off but I am not afraid to call it
what it is.. If this guy urges his listeners to choose businesses that
are owned by blacks instead of businesses that are owned by other
races, especially whites then that is racist. You look up the
definition and my question to you is what is ticking you off?
john
On Jan 6, 2006, at 2:02 AM, Bonnie Lambourn wrote:

> Wow - I may have missed something, but since when did PAA spend its
> time so much on KPFT concerns?
> If this is a real concern, maybe you should be writing or calling
> Dwayne or Ernesto or filling in programming assessments online - as
> they have for this purpose - at KPFT / www.kpft.org
>
> I agree there is a fine line sometimes between some of this. There
> are a number of shows doing this sort of thing - in fact all the
> "black" talk shows have mentioned particular black owned businesses by
> name to my knowledge. Which I think is fine as long as it is many and
> not just one.
>
> There has been the Vegan cooking classes hosted at Whole Foods, as
> mentioned. For which one pays to go to a programmer of KPFT. . . but
> this is not mentioned on air - and is listed on the website/emails.
> And then there was concern from Janice about what was NOT disclosed
> on air from someone who had an Open Journal about toxins, promoting
> her workshops in part - but Janice was concerned that people did not
> know she also was selling water for one particular company through the
> workshops. I personally did not see a conflict. I personally felt it
> was a bit heavy sell for me, but the woman in question does not say
> she has credentials, says it is based on her own illness and recovery,
> and is passionate about why she promotes the particular product. Since
> it was not told on air, and anyone going to the woman's website would
> see the info if they check..
> Selling is annoying, but we pay to get massages, chiro, and all sort
> of health services that a person who is a healer does not donate. We
> hear these people on kpft regularly, including one who "donated" a
> discounted service in exchange for pledges last drive.
> It really goes too far both ways sometimes.
> We can not mention the suggested donation in dollars for a charity
> event. We can ask for items to be new [purchased] aand donated. The
> station of course can request money, offer premiums for sppecific
> amounts, and give thanks to companies that bring by food, etc. during
> pledge drives.
>
> I could be wrong, but my understanding is there is not supposed to be
> any mention of money, cost, etc.
> I am not sure we are supposed to hear favorable opinions - but we do
> hear bad ones if it is news...
> We have had movie reviews. Wonder if restaurant critiques are in line?
>
> Without the money, we are able to make all sorts of positive
> comments, but I know on GreenWatch [HMS cable] we were warned about
> showing a BOOK! We had a Galveston author on talking about a book on
> her record of the history of blacks and early "non-segregation" in
> Galveston. They did not want us to show the book, even though we did
> not talk about the price or where to buy it!
>
> As for the comment about racism - I suggest you check the definition
> of this word. Nobody has ever been heard to my knowledge on air to say
> anything telling people that could be construed this way - and we are
> supposed to be living in a country with free enterprise - meaning one
> can shop where they like.
> They are not keeping you from shopping where you like. They are not
> stopping anyone form having a business.
> And have you looked around to see how black business were closed down
> by white gentrification, white flight, white take-overs of property -
> and then they move away businesses, so there is not even a grocery
> store within the areas most blacks are living. If there are, they are
> over-priced compared to similar stores elsewhere - and usually have
> lower quality goods.
>
> I am not just talking about Houston either. I have seen this in NY
> and NJ. Where I lived in NJ, many people with less money - myself
> included when I could not yet afford a car, had to walk 2 miles to a
> grocery and a laundry at one point. You would walk to get there, and
> then taxi it all home if you could [uphill for me]. You did not shop
> more than once a week. It was hard to afford the taxi, but nearby was
> only corner 'bodegas'.
> For me it was 2 miles, but I talked to many blacks who could not
> afford my neighborhood and came from much further - plus it being
> predominantly 2 family homes of Portugese living in half/renting half
> - they probably would not rent to them at the time. Just a few
> apartment buildings in the fringe area.
>
> Back to racism - has something to do with power over another race -
> not just feelings. . .
> If we can boycott Wal-Mart, Coke, etc - hopefully to be change agents
> - why shouldn't groups of minority cultures show self-determination by
> supporting their own businesses? I did not hear any of them say whites
> could not shop there. What is really ticking you off???
>>
> peace